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Ehsan Mani: ‘PCB shouldn’t follow the BCCI blindly’

Bilateral series: ‘PCB shouldn’t follow the BCCI blindly’
By Fawad Hussain
Published: July 26, 2012


KARACHI: Joining the chorus favouring the resumption of bilateral cricket ties, former International Cricket Council (ICC) chief Ehsan Mani urged the Pakistan board to refrain from blindly following their Indian counterparts without putting forward their own point of view.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) invited Pakistan for a three-match One-Day International (ODI) series in December, a move warmly welcomed by the cricket fraternity and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) desperate to end the five-year hiatus.

While it was the PCB’s turn to host the series, the Pakistan board refused to go into the debate of revenue-sharing, saying its first priority was to revive cricket with India.

PCB is facing a budget deficit

The BCCI is expected to earn millions of dollars from the short series, gauged from the fact that television rights will be sold at an estimated $25 million. The PCB, which is facing a budget deficit, will not get the share for the series.

However, while Mani backed the resumption, he added that the PCB should have been involved in decision making as well.

“It is concerning to see that the BCCI solely took the decision,” Mani told The Express Tribune.

“Their working committee discussed it and their board decided it on their own without consulting the PCB. They blindly followed what the BCCI conveyed to them. The officials showed a lack of competence by saying yes without putting forward the board’s point of view."

“However, as far as the resumption is concerned, it will be good for world cricket, fans and help in bridging gaps between the two countries.”

‘PCB must compel BCCI to play at neutral venue’


The former chief of the sport’s governing body also stressed that the PCB should also clarify terms for the next series before the December rubber, being termed as the ice-breaking fixtures.

“The PCB should have demanded the revenue sharing. The BCCI is expected to earn a sum of $100 million from the series.

“But if the PCB is conceding the revenue then it should take BCCI’s word about the next series which is very important."


“It is a fact that Pakistan cannot host India on its soil in the next two years. The PCB will have to convince the BCCI to play at neutral venues.

“If Australia and England can play us then why can’t India come at the neutral venues?"

“If the PCB continues to go the BCCI’s way it will not get much benefit from the revival.”


Published in The Express Tribune, July 26th, 2012.

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I think Ehsan Mani hit the nail. He spoke of all the reservations I have on the resumption of bilateral ties, in fact these are same questions against which the supporters of resumption do not have any satisfying answers. I don't like politics in cricket or any sports, but cricket is being politicized here and I can't stay blind about it.
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1.) i thought you hated ehsan mani? in the past i've posted many times about how he should be pcb chairman and each time i have done that you've expressed shock and horror at the suggestion. so now that he says something that you agree with suddenly it's all well and good?

2.) mani is absolutely right, there should be no blind following. as he's said himself, as there is no revenue sharing going on here then it is important for pcb to make sure that india agrees to future series with pakistan and its not a one-off deal. and zaka asraf has proven to be a competent leader and he'd understand that. just because something isn't being reported widely in the press doesn't mean that there isn't back-channel talks going on about this. zaka has made reviving ties with india his top priority not because he wants to take his family to a tour of the taj mahal but because he knows it's a good way for pcb to make money. i'm sure this is the start of more series between india and pakistan, and pcb knows that there is a lot of revenue to be gained from it. as far as neutral series goes, as far as i'm aware bcci doesn't want to play in the uae but there are plenty of other places we could play. unfortunately ijaz butt slammed many doors shut but through back channel diplomacy i'm sure zaka can get some of that opened again. would love to see an india vs pakistan series taking place in the uk for instance as others have mentioned too. all in all, i think the future is bright and we have a reason to be optimistic, both as cricket fans but also as pakistan cricket fans because i sense pcb has some $$$ coming our way soon.
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1.) i thought you hated ehsan mani? in the past i've posted many times about how he should be pcb chairman and each time i have done that you've expressed shock and horror at the suggestion. so now that he says something that you agree with suddenly it's all well and good?

2.) mani is absolutely right, there should be no blind following. as he's said himself, as there is no revenue sharing going on here then it is important for pcb to make sure that india agrees to future series with pakistan and its not a one-off deal. and zaka asraf has proven to be a competent leader and he'd understand that. just because something isn't being reported widely in the press doesn't mean that there isn't back-channel talks going on about this. zaka has made reviving ties with india his top priority not because he wants to take his family to a tour of the taj mahal but because he knows it's a good way for pcb to make money. i'm sure this is the start of more series between india and pakistan, and pcb knows that there is a lot of revenue to be gained from it. as far as neutral series goes, as far as i'm aware bcci doesn't want to play in the uae but there are plenty of other places we could play. unfortunately ijaz butt slammed many doors shut but through back channel diplomacy i'm sure zaka can get some of that opened again. would love to see an india vs pakistan series taking place in the uk for instance as others have mentioned too. all in all, i think the future is bright and we have a reason to be optimistic, both as cricket fans but also as pakistan cricket fans because i sense pcb has some $$$ coming our way soon.
Hahahah....Back Channel Talk!!!!
Dude! You need to go and see somebody exectly your kind. !!! DOCTOR!!!
Has to be A Mental though!!!
The Bhindians are Accepting you REQUEST to play with you...SERIOUSLY!!!
Revenue sharing Question is out of the window already.
They said come play this series and we will talk about the Next series afterword.

1. They snatch world cup matches away.
2. Asia cup they oppose.
3. 2009 series they owe.

Anything that benefit Pakistan they oppose yet you cannot stop your DA!!! To walk around with that AMAN KI AASHA Dhole!!!

Seriously , you don't have to love them and I don't have to hate them As much as we both do.....but just leave it alone and Move On.
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1.) i thought you hated ehsan mani? in the past i've posted many times about how he should be pcb chairman and each time i have done that you've expressed shock and horror at the suggestion. so now that he says something that you agree with suddenly it's all well and good?

2.) mani is absolutely right, there should be no blind following. as he's said himself, as there is no revenue sharing going on here then it is important for pcb to make sure that india agrees to future series with pakistan and its not a one-off deal. and zaka asraf has proven to be a competent leader and he'd understand that. just because something isn't being reported widely in the press doesn't mean that there isn't back-channel talks going on about this. zaka has made reviving ties with india his top priority not because he wants to take his family to a tour of the taj mahal but because he knows it's a good way for pcb to make money. i'm sure this is the start of more series between india and pakistan, and pcb knows that there is a lot of revenue to be gained from it. as far as neutral series goes, as far as i'm aware bcci doesn't want to play in the uae but there are plenty of other places we could play. unfortunately ijaz butt slammed many doors shut but through back channel diplomacy i'm sure zaka can get some of that opened again. would love to see an india vs pakistan series taking place in the uk for instance as others have mentioned too. all in all, i think the future is bright and we have a reason to be optimistic, both as cricket fans but also as pakistan cricket fans because i sense pcb has some $$$ coming our way soon.
1) The objections were issue based, not personal that if I oppose him once I'll always oppose him. He said something right here which speaks the mind of concerned Pakistani fans. I don't think he said anything here that is objectionable. Back when I have objections, they were on his role as ICC chief and his inability to be resourceful and proactive.

2) You are again talking in air.....about hopes..."the shoulds, woulds and coulds." If there is something concrete then I'd love to see that. Otherwise you know, we've been through that route many times in past....and results have never been different. For Pakistani fans, there are valid reasons to be skeptic. There is no surety whatsoever. And BCCI will never play in ENGLAND, forget about that. And why should we play at any other place just b/c BCCI doesn't want to play in UAE??? Do they have any solid reason for objection?? or is UAE in any way not safe for their team or something?? and as Mani said, when ENG and AUS can play there then why should the exception be made for one?? It's our spineless approach that we can't stand up on principle and are showing more interest in kissing ass. Once again, Cricket is getting politicized here and like an avid fan I am completely against it.
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Hahahah....Back Channel Talk!!!!
Dude! You need to go and see somebody exectly your kind. !!! DOCTOR!!!
Has to be A Mental though!!!
The Bhindians are Accepting you REQUEST to play with you...SERIOUSLY!!!
Revenue sharing Question is out of the window already.
They said come play this series and we will talk about the Next series afterword.

1. They snatch world cup matches away.
2. Asia cup they oppose.
3. 2009 series they owe.

Anything that benefit Pakistan they oppose yet you cannot stop your DA!!! To walk around with that AMAN KI AASHA Dhole!!!

Seriously , you don't have to love them and I don't have to hate them As much as we both do.....but just leave it alone and Move On.
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well said!
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Hahahah....Back Channel Talk!!!!
Dude! You need to go and see somebody exectly your kind. !!! DOCTOR!!!
Has to be A Mental though!!!
The Bhindians are Accepting you REQUEST to play with you...SERIOUSLY!!!
Revenue sharing Question is out of the window already.
They said come play this series and we will talk about the Next series afterword.

1. They snatch world cup matches away.
2. Asia cup they oppose.
3. 2009 series they owe.

Anything that benefit Pakistan they oppose yet you cannot stop your DA!!! To walk around with that AMAN KI AASHA Dhole!!!

Seriously , you don't have to love them and I don't have to hate them As much as we both do.....but just leave it alone and Move On.
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I seriously disagree on the points you mentioned
it's not bcci or india's fault if nobody wanted to play in pakistan
you can't give them the credit they don't deserve

one more thing
I know it's a pakistani forum but if you want some serious discussion then don't use those derogatory words , or you are welcome to live in your own lala land.

You might have your views towards a nation but, why do you always have to express it so loudly?
There are other members too who are expressing it in a civilian manner, Why it's so difficult to you?
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I seriously disagree on the points you mentioned
it's not bcci or india's fault if nobody wanted to play in pakistan
you can't give them the credit they don't deserve

one more thing
I know it's a pakistani forum but if you want some serious discussion then don't use those derogatory words , or you are welcome to live in your own lala land.

You might have your views towards a nation but, why do you always have to express it so loudly?
There are other members too who are expressing it in a civilian manner, Why it's so difficult to you?
we are not asking India to play in Pakistan but at a neutral venue. who's fault is that ?
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we are not asking India to play in Pakistan but at a neutral venue. who's fault is that ?
hey sallu

think of this whole scenario as a business thing and bcci as a successful business organization. In india bcci is treated as a separate entity, not just any other sport organization and there have been some clashes between bcci and sports ministry over the years.

Bcci is doing what it think is good for it's own business. It hardly matters if there is any cricket happening with pakistan or not as their bag is always full.
But that is not the case with pcb as pcb need more matches and more international exposure and in that case india is their best bet.

so in the above scenario there is no place for emotion just pure business

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hey sallu

think of this whole scenario as a business thing and bcci as a successful business organization. In india bcci is treated as a separate entity, not just any other sport organization and there have been some clashes between bcci and sports ministry over the years.

Bcci is doing what it think is good for it's own business. It hardly matters if there is any cricket happening with pakistan or not as their bag is always full.
But that is not the case with pcb as pcb need more matches and more international exposure and in that case india is their best bet.

so in the above scenario there is no place for emotion just pure business

my two cents
PCB has international exposure if we need to expose ourselves further we will get into controversies. Playing with India does not give us any exposure what so ever. In the end, why are they insist India to play with Pakistan, it is simple, it is money.

so your talk about emotion is irrelevant here.

So my question to you again is the same "who's fault is it that India doesn't want to play in a neutral venue?"
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PCB has international exposure if we need to expose ourselves further we will get into controversies. Playing with India does not give us any exposure what so ever. In the end, why are they insist India to play with Pakistan, it is simple, it is money.

so your talk about emotion is irrelevant here.

So my question to you again is the same "who's fault is it that India doesn't want to play in a neutral venue?"

in simple words conditions is not appropriate to play in pakistan and bcci dosen't want to play on neutral places as it might not be beneficial for them financially. After all it is business.

and again it's the pakistan who is going to be the beneficiary at last
cash rich bcci is not going to achieve anything new.
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in simple words conditions is not appropriate to play in pakistan and bcci dosen't want to play on neutral places as it might not be beneficial for them financially. After all it is business.

and again it's the pakistan who is going to be the beneficiary at last
cash rich bcci is not going to achieve anything new.

come on...you are saying playing pakistan in a neutral venue like dubai, South africa, england where there is a huge south asian diaspora, will not be beneficial financially? i am sorry but that sounds unbelievable.

As for derogatory words, yes we have our locos on this forum....i argue with them everyday but they are nowhere near as vitriolic or numerous as some I have experienced on Indian boards...just for starting a convo..

I might add though that i hope you are welcome here and I hope you keep posting. Some idiot does something stupid, we'll be the first to defend you..
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come on...you are saying playing pakistan in a neutral venue like dubai, South africa, england where there is a huge south asian diaspora, will not be beneficial financially? i am sorry but that sounds unbelievable.

As for derogatory words, yes we have our locos on this forum....i argue with them everyday but they are nowhere near as vitriolic or numerous as some I have experienced on Indian boards...just for starting a convo..

I might add though that i hope you are welcome here and I hope you keep posting. Some idiot does something stupid, we'll be the first to defend you..


My concern is using these words won't take these conversations in any meaningful direction, as eventually i will jump in using the same language as it has happened to me before. Being a huge cricket fan i want some healthy talks

and thanks a lot for your views

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My concern is using these words won't take these conversations in any meaningful direction, as eventually i will jump in using the same language as it has happened to me before. Being a huge cricket fan i want some healthy talks

and thanks a lot for your views

I really appreciate it

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expecting no vitirol whether on indian, pakistani aus eng or chechoon ki mallayyan is very naive thinking, there are always ppl who will use vitirol and all are guilty. I welcome u to forum and hope that u keep posting and also post from Indian cricket point of view so we have different voice on the forum. Regards

Ehsan Mani is absolutely right, in the name of asian block pak has been getting jack, with everyone in asia benefiting while pak get no help from any of its so called "asian Block" its funny to see indians, bd complaigning when without pakistan there wouldnt have been no asia block and the so called rich boards wouldn't be here.

In midst of civil war in SL pak went to play, when gora nations said no to SL tour Pak and india jointly went to play dere. Twice pakistan has travelled to india under explicit threats by shiv sena ( don't give me oh they are just tlk, a threat is a threat and samjhoota express, ajmeer blasts has shown shiv sena like group fully capable of making threats reality). Shoaib Akhtar was hit on head by a brick in BD, pak still continued tour, teamd gets pelted in BD by BD fans yet pak has never said no. Bd cancelled pak scheduled tour to BD cuz they had a mutiny pak accomodated and ytoured later on.

Point is time to shove this asian block myth and develop our own relations.
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Pakistan is to tour zimbabwe late december and then SA, this proposed tour of india in late december can't happen how they gonna fit this in? anyone knows?
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