Well then, wasim and waqar bowled most of their destructive bowling in the 90's not 70's and 80's. How come all of a sudden you perception changes when it comes to wasim and waqar, it looks to me that you are biased. I am not talking about entertainment right now, i am looking at this issue from a pure cricketing point of view. Yes people like watching lee more then mcgrath but do people actually consider lee a better bowler then Mcgrath. I think we can compare the current batsmen to the batsmen we had in 70's and 80's. Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting, Inzamam Ul Haq, Rahul Dravid, Adam Gilchrist etc are all modern day examples of batting genuises. Mcgrath has bowled to all of the best batsmen in the world and had the better of them. Mcgrath has dominated tendulkar, dravid and inzii and has done very well against Brian Lara. On the other hand wasim and waqar never dominated sachin and lara like the wayy mcgrath has done. Again i am going to repeat, having pace dosen't makes you a great bowler. Its wickets, your economy rate and how you win matches for your team makes you a great bowler and mcgrath has qualified for all the positions.

yes, i completly agree with mervik. yes mcgrath is also in the top league.

I have nothing against wasim, he is the best left arm seamer i have ever seen in my life and the wayy he swung the ball was amazing. He is without a doubt the best swing bowler i have ever seen. Fielding definitely plays a vital role but we can't take that away from Mcgrath. Its his bowling that produced chances and then the fielders took catches. Its mcgrath's bowling that leads the aussie bowling attack, look at the aussie bowling attack right now. Without mcgrath its nothing, its mcgrath's bowling what makes australia a dominating force my friend.

Actually McGrath has neither dominated Tendulkar nor Dravid. It was Fleming who would always get Tendulkar's wicket. Here is an excerpt from McGrath's own words. He did majorly dominate Lara and Inzi ( I think Inzi has a bad record against Australia overall )

That was the first of many contests we have had. It is interesting to note that every India-Australia match is heralded as a Warne versus Tendulkar duel. This has worked to my advantage because I am away from the spotlight and this has helped me get the champion's wicket on quite a few occasions. However, I have by no means got Tendulkar's number and I think the scoreline of our encounters is 50-50. I might have a slight edge in Australia, but in India Tendulkar is truly unstoppable.
I have never made a secret of the fact that I rate Tendulkar the best batsman in the business. As far as I am concerned he is technically the most sound player I have ever bowled to. Add to that the manner in which he plays, always trying to dominate the bowler. Among his contemporaries, Steve Waugh, Brian Lara and Inzamam-ul Haq are often compared to the little maestro. Each has his trademark, but Tendulkar combines all of their qualities to make him the best of the lot.

sir i'm still pretty much a novice to cricket.. I've only been watching it for a few years now.. but i'll take ur word for it... I just kinda find it hard to believe the amount of 90+ bowlers back in the day compared to now.. you have maybe 3-4 bowlers who can clock 90..
Let me ask you something..

if it wasnt for the speed gun.. how fast do u think Irfan Pathan is bowling..?

would u be able to guess that he's bowling under 80mph..?

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If there was no speed gun, I would have mistaken Irfan Pathan for a fastish spinner

hahaha i think M Khan has his answer.

lolol.. thats funnyy..

but on the real tho.. from the naked eye it looks as if he's bowling a lot faster and i'm sure it feels that he's bowling a lot faster..

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sumthing i have always wondered....when exactly do they measure they speed?? when the ball is released or when it reaches the batsman?

Have you looked at bond stats. His stats are amazing, in 12 test matches 56 wickets at rate of 20.80; and in 44 ODI 84 wickets at rate of 18.91

he has one of the best averages in test cricket all time.....the only bowler from the current era...i think he is in the top 10 or 15.....

I never said glen was some kind of ordinary bowler. My point is can he win you matches alone. Never! Warne can, but glen cant! Wasim and Waqar can. I am not acting bias btw. I rate glen over wasim and waqar on the basis of control on what they doing. But certainly, he doesnt have the cricketing brain and varity to match the likes of the two W.

Also the fact that you talk abt aussies' dominance in world cricket is due to mcgrath. That is not entirely true. If Mcgrath is the better performer in aus side then he must have won more man of the match awards. He doesnt. Its always been a team's performance from aus. It was never like they scored below 180 in an ODI and their bowlers were able to defend it. NO. The batting was excellent, feilding was excellent hence bowling is excellent. Pakistani cricket has been governed by politics for over two decades. Put wasim in the current Pakistan squad minus his political character, then tell me if Mcgrath is anywhere close to wasim. same goes for waqar.

Its not always whats on the feild that makes u a great bowler. The support from your team is extremely vital. Mgrath is not a match winner. Wasim was. Waqar definately was. And what wasim and waqar and other great west indian matching winning bowlers had in common: PACE!
EXAMPLE:
Amborse has pace and thats how he got that 7/1 spell agasint aussies.
Holding's bowling on a flat track in england produced figures that mcgrath cud never have achieved.

Sir, Mcgrath no where comes close to that league. Mcgrath is a ledgend in his own class but the great fast bowlers have a seperate better class of their own.

Should be the weighted average of the two speeds
1) the speed the ball reaches the pitch
2) the speed the ball goes at after pitching

the weights will be the time taken to reach the pitch and from the pitch to reach the batsmen , respectively.

sorry man i didnt mean to discourage you, my appologies

does he equal ambrose, holding etc lol?