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Julien Fountain unprofessional tweet
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Julien Fountain@JulienFountain
You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink. Perhaps what we need is more "Thirsty Horses" ? #justsaying
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06-18-2012, 10:15 PM
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Seriously this guy is really starting to piss me off, the way he acted during the match was incredible, ur freaking coach act like one
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06-18-2012, 11:18 PM
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Seriously this guy is really starting to piss me off, the way he acted during the match was incredible, ur freaking coach act like one
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they guy is scared he will get the can
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funny how pcb bans every player from using social media but not coaches lol
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06-18-2012, 11:49 PM
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what's so bad about this tweet?
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06-18-2012, 11:58 PM
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he like everyone else knew in advance pak are not renowed for thier fielding and knew the obstacles of coaching ppl who are not in thier teens but in thier mid to late 20's. There are limitations on learning due to age and instincts, knowing fully well he accepted the job and should have known how to deal with it. His crying abt it is wat is unprofessional, ironically same attitude he is indirectly accusing players of.
Was not nice seeing fielding coach on during live tv acting out by making faces, shaking head etc we could do without the antics, thank you.
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06-19-2012, 01:41 AM
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Im thinking the same thing.....This is about the most contribution I have seen these two make....
The squad needs a kick up the backside.....How the hell do all these players who were playing so well last year, all of the sudden all just go out of form at the same time.......after such a surprisingly pleasant year we had knowing our history we are probably going to just shoot our own foot with reckless behavior... Every 4 years, we are good for 2 and then it all just blows out and we end up in tears because we keep making same mistakes over and over and over like clockwork.
Think about all the players who have come and gone in last 10 years without doing any sort of justice to their talent-- Imran Nazir, Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir, Salman Butt, Danish Kaneria, Kamran Akmal, Asim Kamal, Shabir Ahmed, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Sami. All of these players had all the talent you need to be a great players but absolutely no determination, desire, or focus. As long as they get to keep their place in the team, why bother working your ass off to reach next level when you are already a superstar living the dream life. The only thing our players ever put effort into is somehow getting the captaincy hence all the politics, sabotaging, backstabbing soap opera.
Our team culture is just pure cancer and its just been spreading the last 10 years. I honestly don't give a crap about our style of play right now, it is absolutely pointless talking about whether we need to be playing defensive or attacking. We need to make these players go in maximum optimization mode, change the team mentality. Players need to be put on strict leashes, the only thing they should be focusing on is their performance. Make them work like dogs. Whoever doesn't feel like working so hard for it does not belong near the team. Who ever does put in the effort will become a man instead of a grown brat.
Its never going to be easy but if actions aren't taken now we are going to continue going through the same cycle over the next ten years as well. Star players will slowly fade away and we get left with one chris gayle like the windies. The world cup isnt for another three years, we don't have any series with India coming up anytime soon, this is the best time to take some actions rather than making more compromises to keep this or that player happy. Just consider the next 2 years ultra training mode for the next ten years. The coaches should also be under the same pressure.
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he like everyone else knew in advance pak are not renowed for thier fielding and knew the obstacles of coaching ppl who are not in thier teens but in thier mid to late 20's. There are limitations on learning due to age and instincts, knowing fully well he accepted the job and should have known how to deal with it. His crying abt it is wat is unprofessional, ironically same attitude he is indirectly accusing players of.
Was not nice seeing fielding coach on during live tv acting out by making faces, shaking head etc we could do without the antics, thank you.
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oh man these fickle little babies need to be taken out of pampers....all this diapering cannot be good for the team.....fielding coach doesn't need to be nice....his job is to make sure he is getting the best results not care about their feelings ....make these guys run through bricks, then hire them a psychologist to go share their feelings with after training.
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06-19-2012, 02:42 AM
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oh man these fickle little babies need to be taken out of pampers....all this diapering cannot be good for the team.....fielding coach doesn't need to be nice....his job is to make sure he is getting the best results not care about their feelings ....make these guys run through bricks, then hire them a psychologist to go share their feelings with after training.
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no one is disputing he should be tough (whether that will work or not its another debate) point is that should be taken care of away from the spotlight. His job is not to make faces on tv and tweet abt how bad players are.
Try to understand the difference
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no one is disputing he should be tough (whether that will work or not its another debate) point is that should be taken care of away from the spotlight. His job is not to make faces on tv and tweet abt how bad players are.
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but its the players who are lazy slackers not the coach.....he is holding up his end of professionalism quite fine
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06-19-2012, 03:39 AM
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i actually agree with cyborg...had mushtaq ahmed made fun of english spinners on twitter while he was england bowling coach, he'd probably be fined/suspended by the ecb. both players and coaches have a duty to uphold professional standards, its not a one way street.
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06-19-2012, 03:41 AM
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but its the players who are lazy slackers not the coach.....he is holding up his end of professionalism quite fine
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warh gaey bhay and how u know players being lazy? did u watch the practice sessions? Do u have any prove they are being lazy? Come now lets see what is ur prove? One can be simply bad without being lazy do u understand this difference? Like some ppl who try so hard and study hard only to fail the exams, its the skill thing nothing to with how hard u work. Not everyone can be great slip fielder but they might be awesome point fielder different fielding positions different skills.
But this all pointless, lets assume they all are lazy donkeys what give right to coach to make faces on live tv and air his grievances in public? How the heck would that help? Since we all "KNOW FOR A FACT" that pak players are "MOST UNPRPOFESSIONAL" whats the excuse of gora sahib he is professional. So why dun he show some professionalism?
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06-19-2012, 03:45 AM
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warh gaey bhay and how u know players being lazy? did u watch the practice sessions? Do u have any prove they are being lazy? Come now lets see what is ur prove? One can be simply bad without being lazy do u understand this difference? Like some ppl who try so hard and study hard only to fail the exams, its the skill thing nothing to with how hard u work. Not everyone can be great slip fielder but they might be awesome point fielder different fielding positions different skills.
But this all pointless, lets assume they all are lazy donkeys what give right to coach to make faces on live tv and air his grievances in public? How the heck would that help? Since we all "KNOW FOR A FACT" that pak players are "MOST UNPRPOFESSIONAL" whats the excuse of gora sahib he is professional. So why dun he show some professionalism?
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cyborg i don't know if you've seen any live matches of pakistan recently. i have seen two matches over the last couple of years, and i've seen the pakistani players warm up. it's a joke. the most glaring example was when i saw a t20 between pakistan vs england played in cardiff. the english players were warming up with such intensity it was awesome. meanwhile the pakistani players were standing around chatting and laughing. the english players were running sprints while the pakistani players were barely jogging. enlgish players were taking catches high in the sky and over their heads, pakistani players were standing in a circle and taking catches that 2nd graders should not drop. i've seen this with my own eyes. i'm sure part of this is the coaching staff, but i have no qualms calling the pakistani players lazy. fitness is an internal matter as much as external, someone who does not have a desire to keep himself fit will never achieve the fitness that someone who is mentally prepared will.
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06-19-2012, 05:49 AM
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cyborg i don't know if you've seen any live matches of pakistan recently. i have seen two matches over the last couple of years, and i've seen the pakistani players warm up. it's a joke. the most glaring example was when i saw a t20 between pakistan vs england played in cardiff. the english players were warming up with such intensity it was awesome. meanwhile the pakistani players were standing around chatting and laughing. the english players were running sprints while the pakistani players were barely jogging. enlgish players were taking catches high in the sky and over their heads, pakistani players were standing in a circle and taking catches that 2nd graders should not drop. i've seen this with my own eyes. i'm sure part of this is the coaching staff, but i have no qualms calling the pakistani players lazy. fitness is an internal matter as much as external, someone who does not have a desire to keep himself fit will never achieve the fitness that someone who is mentally prepared will.
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that has probably changed, back then intikhab alam was the coach afterall lol
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06-19-2012, 06:01 AM
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cyborg i don't know if you've seen any live matches of pakistan recently. i have seen two matches over the last couple of years, and i've seen the pakistani players warm up. it's a joke. the most glaring example was when i saw a t20 between pakistan vs england played in cardiff. the english players were warming up with such intensity it was awesome. meanwhile the pakistani players were standing around chatting and laughing. the english players were running sprints while the pakistani players were barely jogging. enlgish players were taking catches high in the sky and over their heads, pakistani players were standing in a circle and taking catches that 2nd graders should not drop. i've seen this with my own eyes. i'm sure part of this is the coaching staff, but i have no qualms calling the pakistani players lazy. fitness is an internal matter as much as external, someone who does not have a desire to keep himself fit will never achieve the fitness that someone who is mentally prepared will.
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fitness is overrated inzi is prime example LOL i remember in england woolmer decided to have some fielding pratice and posted some obstacle inzi just trampled them LOL,
Jokes aside, look to be good fielder it comes down to two things
1 - Natural athletic ability
2 - Basics of fielding taught early when a kid is starting up.
Misbah is few yrs younger then me, he is remarkably fit for his age and is not a bad fielder, but most ppl his age wont even know what is warm up when they were in early teens. These are the things that one learn as basics, stretching, warm up etc now most of the players in pak start playing on streets and grounds that are hard where sliduing will get u hurt or etc etc we all know that. its the system we have to fix the system.
My point is not whether they lazy or not, they might be u saw one practice session may be they wanted light excercise who knows, just to label all them lazy is not fair pak been playing in UAE which and has been playing all over outside pak constantly travelling which takes toll on body yet we have seen with this team less injuries which tells me NCA has done smething right plus now adays info is out so everyone taking care of it.
But once again i digress, that is not the point, coach shouldnt make faces on tv on his own team performing bad and dun diss them on social media.
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06-19-2012, 06:38 AM
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Hes right.....fielding was pathetic....
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