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Old 04-03-2006, 07:50 PM
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Angry Pakistani cricket issues!!!

I have seen enuf!

Even when i was watching the hilites, i saw pakistanis being sluggish around the feild. Even the commentators unanimously agree that inzi is being to slow and feilding is really poor.

After all the talk about Pakistani feilding in the indians series and what measures need to be taken to improve them, the olny step i have heard the PCB take is that they were gonna appoint some feilding coach. Thats it. Nothing to be heard after that. I dont see even the slightest commitment.

Here are some issues i feel need to be looked at:
1) Pakistani pitches and grounds. More lively pitches and grounds are needed.
2) Motivation in the players. I dont see any motivation.
3) Weakness grows day by day.
4) Bench strenght getting weaker and weaker.
5) captain is becoming duller.
6) New talent is being wasted. I am talking abt the U-19 players.
7) Opening is still a problem after all that money spent in coaches.

I dont see pak cricket going in the right direction.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:02 PM
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I disagree with 2, 4,and 6. Motivation is the reason for Paks success in reccent series. There is absolutely no lack of motivation. And we have plenty of bench strength. Players like Asim Kamal, Yasir Hameed, Muhammad Hafeez, Bazid Khan, Faisal Iqbal, they r all talented enough to play at international level but are not playing because there is no spot available, so that tells u about bench strength. We r missing Akhtar, Rana, Sami and Shabir is banned and even after all this our bowling attack hasnt shown many signs of weakness. Even the Aussies have trouble replacing one Mcgrath and we have to replace 4 at the same time. Also about U-19, i think its way too early to bring U-19 ers since they havent even played much of domestic cricket. It wud be much better for the players and the team if they go thru the proper system. Anwar Ali has struggled so far in domestic cricket. It wud be better to bring in players like Riaz Afridi and Mansoor AMjad who have couple of yrs domestic experience. From the whole U-19 players, making it to international should have been easiest for Piyush Chawla, cause he is a Leg spinner, playing in india against the worse team against leg spin, and look at what happened to Chawla. It wud be better if we dont make the same mistake and put in ANwar ALi or Jamshed AHmed.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:12 PM
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:14 PM
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My Indian friends are saying that Pakistani pitches are to blame for Sehwag’s out of form…they said the flat pitches in Pakistan have spoiled Sehwag and now he can’t play on real cricket pitches in India….funny…what do you guys say…
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:19 PM
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-Players like wasim, tendulkar, and imran came up at an early age. You can get the most out of players at an early age. If we have some real quality bowling in our young players, which is a better platform than prepare them in these series like Pak vs Sri series. I knew anwar ali wud struggle because he doesnt have varity. But jamshed is a complete bowler!

-Our bench strenght is definately weak. The inzi of domestic and first calss cricket in pakistan aka Hasan Raza was tried and he failed several times. Now i dont expect Bazid khan (who woolmer says is still not in his best of forms) and Asim kamal (who has been tried again and again) to be our bench strenght. We need "in form" players to be our bench strenght. Our bowler bench strenght is zero. We have such a weak bowling bench sternght that we have bowlers like Rao and sami to back us.

-Motivation is defiantely low. How many times did u see players cheering up others, feilders coming up to the bowler and cheering him up. I dont see this anymore.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:28 PM
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lol we r missing four key bowlers and still bowling so well. What more do u need for bench strength. And dont talk so much about Rao being bad after his 1st test ever. Look @ his domestic record, which is definitely good enough and definitely deserves a chance. Maybe he wont become a great player, maybe he isnt good enough for international level, but a guy who has such a good first class record definitely deserves a chance and this is his first ever. SO there is no reason to be harsh on him.
Wasim and Imran both came at an early age but they also had some domestic experience. If Jamshed Ahmed or Anwar ALi come in and dont do well ur definitely going to bash them just like Rao. And when ur talking about bench its an oxymoron to expect them to be as good as the other players, thats why they r not in the team. You cant expect Rao to be as good as Akhtar because if he was then Akhtar would have been playing first class and Rao would have been playing international. Faisal Iqbal Bazid Khan and Hasan Raza are not as good as our senior players but they r talented and thats what the bench players r supposed to be. If ponting gets injured do u expect his replacement to be as good as him or just good enough to replace him? Also Aussies had to go with Mick Lewis, possibly the worse bowler in history that tells u abt our bench strength compared to the best team in world.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:30 PM
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The only problem is INZI. I have been saying it for so long and now ppl are also realizing that inzi is not the right choice as a captain. We have to hire bowling coach, fielding coach in the presence of a high profile coach woolmer just because our captain is not acting as a captain.

Pakistan team never had proper coaches. Its always the captains game in our cricket. Whether it be Imran Khan or Wasim Akram. They did wonders without a proper high profile coach like woolmer. I am not totally against woolmer. I never was against woolmer. Unfortunately we got a good coach but dont have a captain like Imran or Wasim. All the problems mentioned by Pakisg8 will be removed if we have a strong, motivating, active and full of energy captain. Not a dull Inzi.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:31 PM
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The only problem is INZI. I have been saying it for so long and now ppl are also realizing that inzi is not the right choice as a captain. We have to hire bowling coach, fielding coach in the presence of a high profile coach woolmer just because our captain is not acting as a captain.

Pakistan team never had proper coaches. Its always the captains game in our cricket. Whether it be Imran Khan or Wasim Akram. They did wonders without a proper high profile coach like woolmer. I am not totally against woolmer. I never was against woolmer. Unfortunately we got a good coach but dont have a captain like Imran or Wasim. All the problems mentioned by Pakisg8 will be removed if we have a strong, motivating, active and full of energy captain. Not a dull Inzi.
ok what determines a successful captain in ur mind?
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:34 PM
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We really lack quality bowlers. Asif is good but as I said eariler too that he is only the new ball bowler, which is good to have but on the other hand we need bowlers who are capable of uising the old ball, who can reverse swing the ball. Pakman is right in syaing that we are missing 4 frontline bowlers and that is one reason why our attack is looking very week. Rana is a good exponent of reverse swing. Shabbir can't bowl and Shoaib is unfit.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:40 PM
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ok what determines a successful captain in ur mind?
Its not the matter of being successful or not. Inzi and Pakistan in the recent times got success because of the fresh blood in the team. Guys are young and motivation is there. There is unity and they respect Inzi. I dont' see a single match that Inzi won us with his captaincy (not his batting but leadership).

Wasim used to bowl saqlain mushtaq as a first change bowler within the 15 overs limit and saqlain was so successful. No other captain used saqlain properly and saqlain's career was ruined. Same is the case with Inzi, he doesn't attack. Never brings spinners when field restrictions are on. Earlier it was 15 overs, now we have to wait for 20 overs when the ball is given to a spinner. This is defensive approach. You need to tell your bowler to bowl in the right area rather then setting up field for his bad bowling. I am afraid Inzi is the second case.
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Old 04-03-2006, 08:44 PM
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Its not the matter of being successful or not. Inzi and Pakistan in the recent times got success because of the fresh blood in the team. Guys are young and motivation is there. There is unity and they respect Inzi. I dont' see a single match that Inzi won us with his captaincy (not his batting but leadership).

Wasim used to bowl saqlain mushtaq as a first change bowler within the 15 overs limit and saqlain was so successful. No other captain used saqlain properly and saqlain's career was ruined. Same is the case with Inzi, he doesn't attack. Never brings spinners when field restrictions are on. Earlier it was 15 overs, now we have to wait for 20 overs when the ball is given to a spinner. This is defensive approach. You need to tell your bowler to bowl in the right area rather then setting up field for his bad bowling. I am afraid Inzi is the second case.
banglore....day 5....inzi at his best....
who would u rather have.....a captain like fleming who is clever but never won n e thing for new zealand (up until recently) or u rather have inzi who is not as attacking but gets u the wins....
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and if u said it is not a matter of successful then y do they play cricket?? it is all about being successful and the bragging rights!
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banglore....day 5....inzi at his best....
who would u rather have.....a captain like fleming who is clever but never won n e thing for new zealand (up until recently) or u rather have inzi who is not as attacking but gets u the wins....
I am sorry inzi was not at his best in that match either. Inzi is the type of captain who waits for things to happen in his favour rather then doing something to change things in his favour. Luckily in banglore we grabbed wickets. Inzi has nothing to do with that.

I reckon that stephen flemming is a much better captain than Inzi. He is not successful because NZ is a minnow side. They lack quality players. Talent in Pakistan can never be compared to that of NZ. I wrote the reasons why Inzi is successful, now you also know why Flemming is not successful. Those who have actually seen cricket in the 80s and 90s will agree to me. Pakistan need cpatains like Imran and Wasim who never needed any coach. This is cricket, not soccer or any other fast paced field game where coach is needed. Cricket is the captains game. Captain needs to be clever enough to make decisions bold enough to challenge the opponents and create opportunities for his team.
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If fleming was given as much talent as available to inzamam he would be the most successful captain of current times yet newzealand team still manages to perform well on a consistent basis. they are a very good ODI squad and now with bond and vettori they have a decent test attack as well.
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Two most important aspects of today's cricket are being overlooked by our team. One, the fielding is simply terrible, and our players really are very lazy when it comes to chasing the ball, or even attacking it. All others team players charge the ball, but our players don't seem to be doing that. That being said, it may be because of the heat too, since our players are not used to the kind of heat that there is in Sri Lanka. Plus, the weather there can be really humid at times. Second, Inzamam really is very slow to make changes. One of the commentator was saying that Inzi comes in with a plan, but he doesn't change his plan. He needs to change his plans according to the requirement of the game.
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