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Old 10-21-2005, 11:22 AM
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Some interesting things I noticed...Just random cricket facts.

I noticed that wasim akram didnt come out of his shell until he 1992. I think he was rather injury prone or imran just used him in such a way that his confidence wouldnt get dented. Its quite impressive how he handled his players. Like he made alot of changes in his batting orders.
Waqar was always destructive.

Sri lanka has two wicket keeper batsman named roshan mahanama and gurushina,. both had the same charactaristics as sangkarra but stopped keeping to focus on batting.

Imrans last notable bowling series was he bowled over 1000 balls against the indians. and took 13 wicket at 28

In one inning imran bowled 50.2 overs against india 89/90 in one inning. Imran was a young 38. and then batted for a 66.

Also miandad scored a century on of many. Shoaib mohammed scored a double century.

I noticed the thing with miandad was that if he got his hundred it wasnt enough he would go on to score double. Its so impressive my respect for him is high.

Miandad scored at will. Miandad batting average never dipped below 51

Zaheer Abbas batted at six and 5 during the end of his career. Imran used him in the middle order after he got hit in the head.

imran mainly batted during tests during the end in 92.

Inzimam opened the innings and scored consecutive hundreds against sri lanka. '92

Qadir used to give up alot of runs but got alot of wickets.

Miandad and qasim umar scored a double hundred in the same inning vs sri lanka in a drawn match were sri lanka batted forever.

Wasim Akram scored his first hundred against the aussies with imran batting on the other end. Both saved our blushes.

Imran in the 90's added 7 players who ended up being regulars (inzi,moin,aquib,waqar,sohail,mushtaq) from the 80s wasim,saleem,ijaz.

Imran from 86 onwards never averaged lessed than 56 in a test series.

also i thought saleem jaffer bowls like irfan rather than wasim. this on side note it has nothing to do with anything but I have thought speed wise this is the truth.
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:25 PM
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I noticed that wasim akram didnt come out of his shell until he 1992. I think he was rather injury prone or imran just used him in such a way that his confidence wouldnt get dented. Its quite impressive how he handled his players. Like he made alot of changes in his batting orders. Waqar was always destructive.
True to some extent. Wasim started his career in 86-87 and also played the 1987 world cup and was the main strike bowler along with Imran and Saleem Jafar. Although 1992 world cup was a turning point for Wasim's career but he had already taken the 2 ODI hat tricks before that. It was that once Imran got retired then Wasim and Waqar become the main strike bowlers and they proved their skills in the 92 tour of England. The term two W's arrived in the 1992 England test series which Pakistan won by 2-1 and both Wasim and Waqar took 21 wickets each in 5 matches. They also won Pakistan a match with their batting in that series with both putting up around 50 runs for the 9th wicket to take Pakistan home!

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Miandad and qasim umar scored a double hundred in the same inning vs sri lanka in a drawn match were sri lanka batted forever.
It happened before that too when Miandad and Muddassir Nazar both made double centuries against india and built up a record partnership of 451.



Most of the points that you have noticed are true but few of them I can't understand what you are trying to say! like:

imran mainly batted during tests during the end in 92.

Also miandad scored a century on of many. Shoaib mohammed scored a double century.
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:39 PM
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It was just random stuff I saw while i was looking at some retro scorecards. I was like oh yeah I heard of that now i get it.
like wasim was the the strike bowler saleem jaffer was never completely cemented. It was as if imran would groom his players. giving them the right oppurtunity to succeed.
The core in the 80's was mainly imran,miandad,mudassar,qadir. they were the cornerstone.
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yeah imran really found all these super stars of 90s.

saeed anwer, aamir sohail, ijaz ahmed, inzamam ul haq, salim malik, mushtaq ahmed, waqar younus, wasim akram, aaquib javed etc etc.......
these are all imran's find and his gifts to Pakistan
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Never knew Zaheer Abbas was hit in the hit Is that why he ended his career early? Anyone know how he hit his head?
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Old 10-21-2005, 09:15 PM
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I know Miandad got hit and I think after that started wearing helmet. not sure if he wore one before that.
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Never knew Zaheer Abbas was hit in the hit Is that why he ended his career early? Anyone know how he hit his head?
he got hit in the head in the late seventies. After that he was increasingly afraid of fast bowling. I think in the west indies series.

here is an exceprt from Imrans books

This is an excerpt from "All Round View", Imran Khan's
autobiography. This has been copied without permission, I
hope no copyrights have been violated.


Imran on Zaheer:


Statistically one of Pakistan's all time greats, Zaheer
Abbas, was certainly the best timer of the ball I have ever
seen. There may have been harder hitters, but no one could
match his timing. At Karachi in 1982-3, during his 186, he
went to drive a ball from Kapil Dev and found that it was
not quite up to him. He checked his shot and played
defensively, and his innate timing sent the ball away for
four past cover. The cricket commentators kept replaying
this shot on television, pointing out that Zaheer had'nt
even followed through. His exquisite timing meant that he
was a great player of spin bowling, which he could take
apart on any wickets.
Zaheer could play off either foot, and through either side
of the wicket, but his main problem was one of temperament.
As soon as he was under pressure, he found it hard going,
and often fell into a bad patch. Once in a poor run of form,
he often found it difficult to break out again.
He also had a problem with pace bowling. It didn't seem to
worry him early in his career, but in the early 1980s he
suffered a form of shellshock. He was never the same after
Sylvester Clarke had hit him on the head during the West
Indies tour of Pakistan in 1980-1, often making excuses or
taking the easy option by hitting out wildly against the
slower bowlers. He was also very conscious of his average,
which counts against him in my view. I can't really rate
him in the top flight of batsmen.
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Old 10-21-2005, 10:29 PM
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mmmmmmmm even though i only been into cricket a year or so i know a bit 1992 we won the world cup , 1996 we went into the quater finals and lost we went to the finals 1999 and lost annd in 2003 we didnt even go for the super 8 then 2004 we lost against india in pak in test and ODIs then in 2005 we won in India in ODIs and tests drawn and in west indeies we won after a periiod of time also opening pairs have been a hastle to find since 2003 i havent seen any left arm all rounder in this pakistani side also not even a lefty bowler yet
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But whats the point in Imran bowling 50 overs he couldnt even get Sanjay out who scored a double century..lol..just kidding..it is indeed a miracle to have had a cricketer like Immy,he is god sent to Pak cricket i guess..as i said in one of my postings watching players like Immy,Waqar,Inzi and Anwar i became a Pak cricket fanatic...Imran is awesome.but still he shouldve got Sanjay out..lol...
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But whats the point in Imran bowling 50 overs
when bowlers have a job they try their best and do the job. Fazal Mahmood once bowled 85 overs in an innings, a record for fast bowler. it is their dedication to the team and the game. sometimes you have every player in the team bowl if it is a dead match and sometimes you try to get some wickets to make something out of it or not get in a position that the chances that you lose increases.
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:05 PM
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also wasim bhai sed make one side of the ball heavier and the other one just leave how it is and u will get reverse swing i have tried this its helps on these pitches in england the ball swings and reverses more times here than any other country ive been to
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Imran obviously is the most successful captain in Pak cricket history. His influence is very strong until now. We didn't see any rafts inside the team whilst he was captain. And as soon as he retired, Pak cricket team passed through drastic phases, we were changing captains like anything. He was strict and firm. He was very good in maintaining discipline. We need this kind of captain.
Although currently Inzi is good enough, but he is not very influential interm of strictness since its not in his nature. The facts mentioned above are quite good, this reflects how well planned he was, truly our youngsters should learn from him. He is a legend
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so a question and this is not to take away from Imran's ability as a player or captain :

There might have been groupings (and probably were) but players were either playing or were young when he was the captain. But should a captain leave a team that as soon as he leaves gets into heavy politics and groupings that team may not have seen before and then also the same players get involved in match fixing. Ofcourse Imran can't tell what happens with Salim Malik or Wasim or Waqar but some other player but when he left was the team in a good position. There were some young players when he left so all they want to do is play the best they can for the team and secure their place. Was Imran just ruling with a stick and made the players do what he wanted if they wanted to play or was he instilling professionalism, unity or any other thing that we now say had been missing for the last 12 some years from the team? If I look at Aus, Border started rebuilding the team in the 80s, Mark Taylor improved it and S Waugh got it and they ruled. Why was it that after Imran left there was chaos and 3-4 years later the same players gave the worst run in Pakistan cricket at home.
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so a question and this is not to take away from Imran's ability as a player or captain :

There might have been groupings (and probably were) but players were either playing or were young when he was the captain. But should a captain leave a team that as soon as he leaves gets into heavy politics and groupings that team may not have seen before and then also the same players get involved in match fixing. Ofcourse Imran can't tell what happens with Salim Malik or Wasim or Waqar but some other player but when he left was the team in a good position. There were some young players when he left so all they want to do is play the best they can for the team and secure their place. Was Imran just ruling with a stick and made the players do what he wanted if they wanted to play or was he instilling professionalism, unity or any other thing that we now say had been missing for the last 12 some years from the team? If I look at Aus, Border started rebuilding the team in the 80s, Mark Taylor improved it and S Waugh got it and they ruled. Why was it that after Imran left there was chaos and 3-4 years later the same players gave the worst run in Pakistan cricket at home.


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so a question and this is not to take away from Imran's ability as a player or captain :

There might have been groupings (and probably were) but players were either playing or were young when he was the captain. But should a captain leave a team that as soon as he leaves gets into heavy politics and groupings that team may not have seen before and then also the same players get involved in match fixing. Ofcourse Imran can't tell what happens with Salim Malik or Wasim or Waqar but some other player but when he left was the team in a good position. There were some young players when he left so all they want to do is play the best they can for the team and secure their place. Was Imran just ruling with a stick and made the players do what he wanted if they wanted to play or was he instilling professionalism, unity or any other thing that we now say had been missing for the last 12 some years from the team? If I look at Aus, Border started rebuilding the team in the 80s, Mark Taylor improved it and S Waugh got it and they ruled. Why was it that after Imran left there was chaos and 3-4 years later the same players gave the worst run in Pakistan cricket at home.
Your exactly wrong, because in 87 after the world cup he had officially retired. had general zia not made a public plea for him to come out of retirement he would have been done. So basically inzi,waqar and a bunch of others would not have even got a chance. So basically to say the with mark taylor to waugh. there side was in there prime. Imran left wasim as the successor with a bunch of talented players. wasim couldnt handle the pressure in the beginning he was caught wiht marijane and what not. Overall we didnt do all that bad, but we also didnt win the cup. Yeah we lost at home by underachieving alot of talented people couldnt pull it together. Its clearly imrans leadership that put all these talented people and won a cup. Let me say one thing by the end wasim understood captaincy and should have been made captain.
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