Originally Posted by AHMAD\

Adil,
I don't want to get into ANOTHER opinionated debate with you. I'll just base my points on facts here, first of all Republicans are no more the voice of minority. They won the House and if not a majority, they are at least even with Democrats now. Nonetheless, they are also US citizen and their voice and concerns are no way inferior to anyone else. Regarding Obama tried to work with Republicans, Good cry but I am not buying that.

Firstly, because as a President you suppose to be authoritative at policy matters and if it's your government you use executive authority to put your agenda into work. It sounds so lame that a President (& that too of United States of America) is complaining that Republicans are not letting him work. Clinton ran the office with same authority, GW did the same way...it's no science. I don't think a neutral person will buy that complain that 'they are not letting the President work'. It's the ineptitude of Govt. that should be blamed and very rightly so.

Secondly, as I mentioned earlier Democrats have barely anything at stake as far as economy of this country is concerned. They don't own big businesses & corporates, they have no investments in this country, they don't run the Wall Street. All they have is labor unions. So of course those who have investments at stake will have say in policy matters. In order for this country to come out of this mess, the businesses have to get back on track. If you put restrictions, businesses will close down causing unemployment and that will hurt the economy. So yeah, liberal talk is all good until it hurts. It won't get you to put food on table for your family. Unemployment is the biggest factor in this economic derailment, and you have to accept that OBAMA has done nothing in that regard. Even Rick Perry and Bobby Jindal's record is better under this struggling economy as far as job creation and issue of unemployment is concerned.

All this talk if yours that Obama's policies makes sense, he tried hard to work, and his heart is in right place...oh please, it's not just me, it's the record which disagrees with your assertion here. And that part that Republicans are not letting him work, I tell you what 'Even Zardari is doing a better job in forcing the will of his govt. then our President here'. No person will buy that he's been hindered so he cannot do the job effectively. You are the King, and you are the one complaining??? Please!! And this why I call you a TREE HUGGER!! If you still want to be aloof about these facts than there's no difference b/w your mindset and theirs.

Here's my prediction: The swing voters, and youth which came out to vote for Obama in 2008, they are not going to come out this time. There is nothing that was promised and been fulfilled by this Government. You'll see a significant drop. This Government has given nothing but disappointment to 'ordinary American citizen'.

Originally Posted by cyborg909

wow u must have completly erased the whole 94 - 2006 when repub control both houses and of those 6 yrs even controlled the presidency. So lemme see, the financial crisis of 2008 when bush was still president and senate was still repub and democrates were in simple majority in congress - is all Obama's fault?

Iraq war happens under repub, so did afghan and somalia and so on. Post 9/11, how they are Obama's fault.

Am no fan of obama i would be happy if he lose good riddance, but lets stick with facts. Fact Mccain would have won till he chose the retard Palin, u cant stick with ur Ron Paul and then call urself republican, ur party irregardless of who is or was in power messed up like they always do.

Originally Posted by johnsalva69

Youur obvious liberal agenda and talking shit without knowing shit is quite obvious.
I dont need to sit down and have coffee with you to see where you are coming from. Among the mental masturbation conducted on this website, its quite clear what your point of views are - i have managed to read some of them!
You as a medical student have pretty much zero understanding of how billing is done, what the life of a REAL physician is like and all that stuff. You do your 8 hour a day rotations, go home, have weekends off and study.
seriously...you are quoting me examples because you met with senators and now understand healthcare? LMAO. ok.
hahaha...these senators, governers, medical society presidents, etc...are hovering around all these conferences that I go to. Its nothing special. Try impressing someone else with that.

Its interesting to know that as a 4th year medical student, you dont know the threats to primary care medicine...and no, im not using scared tactics here. As an anesthesiologist, I would never go to a nurse for my care. And I demand more re imbursement for my fellow primary care doc. Instead of diluting the system with nurses who like to play doctors!

These fine details are kinda important...you should know about the midlevel threat to healthcare.

The second paragraph just reiterates what I said, albeit at a very superficial level because you dont know the specifics as to why a government healthcare reform wont work (it already failed in Massachusetts). worrying about healthcare is not unamerican. its 'unamerican' because its unamerican to DICTATE healthcare (or any other service) to americans!! sorry to hear that you failed to understand that simple concept. a lot of CDNs and people who dont know much do. its annoying.

america is NOT a socialist country. it has different principles and values, compared to commonwealth nations. sure, its not perfect, but it has a lottttt of good with this philosophy. it is because of these values, you are PRIVILEGED to be ABLE to actually study in U.S. because talent, quality and merit is sought after in a competitive environment. it is why you, on a foreign visa can study from a country which is tagged as a fail state and a breeding ground for terrorists.

why dont you think about that?

your understanding on america is limited, and you label that as republican agenda! and you come here give us schpeel on what YOU think is appropriate. LMAO.

ill forgive your naivety.

-bigshot...p.s. your signature is getting annoying. you are a 4th year medical student. you are not a doctor...yet. Dont portray yourself as one. Its silly and pretentious.

Originally Posted by AHMAD\

And again I would say that it's a mere cry game you are putting. Clinton was the President in prior 6 years and did well. Were the republicans any different in his time than they are now? Opposition are always like that. If you don't act as a President and use the authority to put right agenda into work then blame for all failures lies on you. Take responsibility of your failures, don't blame it on rest.

Financial crises in 2008 weren't as worse as they are now. Unemployment wasn't as bad as it turn in last three years. The way you rack up the record of wars, I'll take responsibility for that...but that's also a fact that all those promises that were made to bring the troops back, and get the country out of economic turmoil weren't fulfilled. The very reason Obama got vote was for those promises he made, assessing his progress today I see more failures than accomplishments. I know Democrats will never take responsibility for that and instead will prefer indulging in blame game but that won't change facts.

And you are calling Republicans messed up, lie you are any different.

There's no way McCain could have won in 2008. Obama won by a land slide victory, it wasn't even close. Sarah Palin factor may be the final nail in the coffin but wasn't the primary reason why McCain lost.

Originally Posted by adil_909

it doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, its not about opinions. the FACT remains that the republicans have made it a priority to make obama a one term president. boehner said it shamelessly, and the voting record of congressional republicans has proven it. the matters of how and why obama has done certain things is open to interpretation, but what is not open to interpretation is how the republicans have acted since 2008. you can check their voting records and their policies - they have been obstructionists and they have used fear to dissuade the american public away from important issues. and they have tried endlessly to distance themselves from the period of 2000-2008, when bush inherited a country that was in the ascendency and was breaking records for unemployment, deficit, etc all markers of progress. and look at what a pile of turd obama inherited compared to what bush inherited in 2000. the reason that this country is down in the dumps does have to do with obama's inability to lead the recovery, but it ALSO has to do in large part with the bush policies of the preceeding 8 years in which he borrowed massive amounts of money, started unnecessary global conflicts, and best of all, he was the one that started this bailout nonsense which the republicans keep trying to pretend is an obama policy. it wasn't, your savoir is the one that started the bailouts!!

if the republicans had a contender that was actually moderately intelligent, then i agree, obama would probably have lost in 2012. but it's obvious the republican party has moved very far to the right, and that means there is no way an average person will vote for them. the independents will either vote for obama again or will not vote in 2012, and this is how the republicans are going to lose the election. i mean watching the republican debates is like watching a show on comedy central, obama is going to eat them alive regardless of who gets nominated unless it's ron paul and then i think they will have some very interesting debates. but honestly can you imagine mr. 999 or mr. mormonism is a cult or ms. hpv causes retardation battling obama in a debate about policy and not about rhetoric?

Originally Posted by adil_909

yes obama made lots of promises, but he never promised to fix america in 3 years. judge him after the conclusion of his 2nd term, during which he won't need to pander to republicans as much as he won't need to worry about re-election. all presidents are braver in the 2nd term compared to the first.

Originally Posted by AHMAD\

First paragraph is pointless rhetoric.

I do agree with what you said later though. But I'll also put the record straight that Ron Paul did not vote to send the troops to Iraq, Obama actually did. So some form of responsibility for that lies on him as well. Check the record, Democrats will never tell you that. And I will not vote to Democrat that's for sure, and I would rather not vote at all if Ron Paul's name is not on the ballot. Republicans can easily lose this election even though Obama is too vulnerable. However, Obama would likely concede had he been put against Ron Paul. There is no match of Obama against Ron Paul on policy debates. And Debates doesn't matter my friend, Kerry put a good show against Bush as well in 2004, it didn't get him Presidency.

Originally Posted by AHMAD\

RED: You must not be serious here!!

BOLD: And what made you believe that. You already lost the House, and with a failed record the road won't be any easier.

He will come to Corporates and Businesses and we all will see that, just against all your hypothesis.

Originally Posted by adil_909

2ndly, i have no issue with being labeled naive. i was labeled naive and stupid when in 2007 i rejected an admission spot at agha khan university and instead took a big risk by applying to US med schools as a pakistani citizen. people said "oh you're an idiot, you'll never get in, why are you wasting a great opportunity, blah blah blah".

Originally Posted by AHMAD\

so you got admission when Republican was the President....weren't those good times?? just sayin'

I deeply appreciate what you've done as a Pakistani for people of Pakistan.

Originally Posted by adil_909

that's the problem, corporations and businesses have too much power in america. ask any one from the far left (occupy wall street) to the far right (tea party) and they will agree with this statement. the only ones that don't agree are the republican politicians and they wealthiest americans, and even some of them agree the current economic model is ridiculous.

read warren buffets editorial that was published a few weeks ago, i think it was posted here as well. it's quite sad when one of the richest people in the world is begging the government to raise his taxes and highlighting that he gets taxed less than people who work for him and make a fraction of what he does. yet republicans insist that increasing taxes on the wealthy even 1-2% would somehow cause the economy to crumble, and a better policy is to tax those that can barely feed their family

Originally Posted by johnsalva69

Youur obvious liberal agenda and talking shit without knowing shit is quite obvious.
I dont need to sit down and have coffee with you to see where you are coming from. Among the mental masturbation conducted on this website, its quite clear what your point of views are - i have managed to read some of them!
You as a medical student have pretty much zero understanding of how billing is done, what the life of a REAL physician is like and all that stuff. You do your 8 hour a day rotations, go home, have weekends off and study.
seriously...you are quoting me examples because you met with senators and now understand healthcare? LMAO. ok.
hahaha...these senators, governers, medical society presidents, etc...are hovering around all these conferences that I go to. Its nothing special. Try impressing someone else with that.

Its interesting to know that as a 4th year medical student, you dont know the threats to primary care medicine...and no, im not using scared tactics here. As an anesthesiologist, I would never go to a nurse for my care. And I demand more re imbursement for my fellow primary care doc. Instead of diluting the system with nurses who like to play doctors!

These fine details are kinda important...you should know about the midlevel threat to healthcare.

The second paragraph just reiterates what I said, albeit at a very superficial level because you dont know the specifics as to why a government healthcare reform wont work (it already failed in Massachusetts). worrying about healthcare is not unamerican. its 'unamerican' because its unamerican to DICTATE healthcare (or any other service) to americans!! sorry to hear that you failed to understand that simple concept. a lot of CDNs and people who dont know much do. its annoying.

america is NOT a socialist country. it has different principles and values, compared to commonwealth nations. sure, its not perfect, but it has a lottttt of good with this philosophy. it is because of these values, you are PRIVILEGED to be ABLE to actually study in U.S. because talent, quality and merit is sought after in a competitive environment. it is why you, on a foreign visa can study from a country which is tagged as a fail state and a breeding ground for terrorists.

why dont you think about that?

your understanding on america is limited, and you label that as republican agenda! and you come here give us schpeel on what YOU think is appropriate. LMAO.

ill forgive your naivety.

-bigshot...p.s. your signature is getting annoying. you are a 4th year medical student. you are not a doctor...yet. Dont portray yourself as one. Its silly and pretentious.

Originally Posted by AHMAD\

And again I would say that it's a mere cry game you are putting. Clinton was the President in prior 6 years and did well. Were the republicans any different in his time than they are now? Opposition are always like that. If you don't act as a President and use the authority to put right agenda into work then blame for all failures lies on you. Take responsibility of your failures, don't blame it on rest.

Financial crises in 2008 weren't as worse as they are now. Unemployment wasn't as bad as it turn in last three years. The way you rack up the record of wars, I'll take responsibility for that...but that's also a fact that all those promises that were made to bring the troops back, and get the country out of economic turmoil weren't fulfilled. The very reason Obama got vote was for those promises he made, assessing his progress today I see more failures than accomplishments. I know Democrats will never take responsibility for that and instead will prefer indulging in blame game but that won't change facts.

And you are calling Republicans messed up, lie you are any different.

There's no way McCain could have won in 2008. Obama won by a land slide victory, it wasn't even close. Sarah Palin factor may be the final nail in the coffin but wasn't the primary reason why McCain lost.