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2013 Pakistan Election

Anyone interested in politics per se i.e election politics day to day stuff? Not who is right or wrong am just talking abt pure political machinisms. Im very interested in this and would like to open this thread to discuss day to day pakistani politics.

To start with, IK jalsa in Quetta, surely this was huge event and more provides PTI with solid start in Baluchistan, previously I was thinking PTI has no chance of gaining a single seat from Baluchistan now am not sure, it appears IK is set to drain atleast 50% PML -N support, which could translate into making 2 provincial govts in KP and Baluchistan with a strong presence in Punjab and a shot at minoroty govt in centre.

Anyone wana opine feel free, but plz refrain from ideological stuff discuss politics only. Other threads are there for that.
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Imran Khan , Don't Have any personal interest !! thats the secret of his success
in Politics and in His Life !!! he is True pakistani and a Good Muslim !!!
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good idea, i will sticky this thread.
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The Great Khan will clean sweep the elections Insha'Allah.
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The Great Khan will clean sweep the elections Insha'Allah.
how? do explain? Thats the idea of thread jsut don't post this party will win or that talk politics man how and how many seats, which part etc etc
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how? do explain? Thats the idea of thread jsut don't post this party will win or that talk politics man how and how many seats, which part etc etc
It will be a wonder If Imran gets majority. But I realistly think PML-N will get most seat and PPP will still get seats but few.
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It will be a wonder If Imran gets majority. But I realistly think PML-N will get most seat and PPP will still get seats but few.
once again how? plz elaborate. Plz understand thread its not abt who will win what its how talk politics of constituency where do u think seats will come, how will they come, how will u make public come out and vote what factors will influence voting etc etc
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well i think we should start from the top.

i want to know what qualifications does someone have to have in order to run for office in pakistan? how does one get nominated? what level of education is needed? i have lived away from pakistan for a long time so i am now trying to understand these things. before we discuss individuals, let's discuss basics so everyone is on the same page.
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well i think we should start from the top.

i want to know what qualifications does someone have to have in order to run for office in pakistan? how does one get nominated? what level of education is needed? i have lived away from pakistan for a long time so i am now trying to understand these things. before we discuss individuals, let's discuss basics so everyone is on the same page.
as per current law all political parties must have elections, most parties are founded by current leaders and they rule the party as head, exception is PPP that was founded by Bhutto and friends, Bhutto sidelines most of his early supporters and handed the party to his wife and daughter. Benazir got rid of all uncles and when she passed away, zardari claims she handed to him as bilawal being heir apparent.

PML - N was founded by Nawaz who came out of Junejo's PML was the last time PML was all together Nawaz added N and thus fractioned PML forever.

MQM though have a rabta comittee but Altaf has total say who leads what and where so nominal democracy.

JUI was split in 2 Noorani group and JUI - Fazalurrehman post mufti mehmood, After noorani's death JUI-F is most dominant and they mostly deibandi, Sunni tehreek has remanants of Noorani group (barelvi group)

JI is the only party that really enforce democratic shura and ameer get selected by shura.

As far as qualification goes, Nawaz came through process i,.e he ran Punjab as CM and did a good job and then went on to become PM so he has executive expierence rest dun have any expierence, though both PPP and PML -N has lot of higher leadership that have been minsiters and have run both state and federal level. JI also have executive expierence but mostly on Mayor level and breif stint in Zia shura. JUI-F has only once ran a province and that was coaliton of MMA in KP with disastorous results.

From Good governence point of view looking at city basis, both MQM and JI comes on top they both have ran the cities level good, MQM problem is ghundagardee which they can't leave. On state and federal level, PML -N, marginally had a better record compare to PPP but last 4 yrs the punjab govt has been hitting new lows every day.

ANP has now gotten 4 yrs and KP is a disaster. PPP less said better
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Very interesting now, PM is convicted appeal wll take sometime yet even appeal wouldn't be succesful. But thats legal mumbo jumbo.

PPP has succeeded politically to solidified its own ranks and once again with coalition of thieves totally under unfied banner,

That leaves PML - N to decide will they stand by zardari "democracy" or they have guts to bring down this sham of govt,

The numbers to bring down govt are not in PML - N favor, yet NS can let go of his ego, announce 4 sake of pak and democracy he is burying all his issues with all factions of PML and open the gates of new PML ( remove N from PML - N) and allow everyone to come under PML banner, the resulting flood from PML - Q would be enuff 2 topple the govt. But that would mean NS to rise above his own self extremely unlikely. This will be use against PML - N that they propping a convicted PM govt and proves IK point of noora kushtee.

All depends on NS now if he can rise for the occassion he can sweep to power otherwise IK will destroy whatever left of PML - N
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So PML - N snatch up Mumtaz Bhutto, signed a deal wit arabab group and possibly can have Mehar in alliance, Marvi working hard with mumtaz bhutto to get nationalist on board. The goal is ofcoz to get as many seats as they can, PML -N at this point not thinking of forming govt in sindh but to get presence (prefeably a better presence with enuff seats to become a nusiance opposition) wth PML-Q remanants and nationalist that could happen and will compensate seat loss to PTI and PPP+PML-Q in punjab. Interesting strategy and if they can pull it off they can possibly have minority govt at federal level and can get rid of punjab party tag pointing at seats in all provinces.
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Water under the Lyari bridge: Faryal brings Lyari rebels back into the PPP fold – The Express Tribune

KARACHI: The promise of elections holds a thaw for those who were frozen out. After nearly a year of sub-zero relations, the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party has brought to the table Lyari’s two warring groups. The party is, after all, mindful of the high stakes in the constituency where its popularity had sunk.

The president’s sister broke the ice. MNA Faryal Talpur has met Baloch and Kutchi representatives after some groundwork was laid by three PPP Karachi leaders in a series of meetings. Abdul Qadir Patel, Senator Yousaf Baloch and Senator Saeed Ghani were tasked with wooing back the men who represented the wounded voters. It got so bad that men considered loyalists, Uzair and Zafar Baloch, had announced that they would stand against PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari.

The two groups are the Kutchi Raabta Committee, and the Peoples Amn Committee, which was banned by the Sindh government on October 10, 2011. In order to get around the slight difficulty of negotiating with a banned organisation, a Buzurg [Elders] Committee emerged from the Peoples Amn Committee. These elders are Professor Iqbal, Shabir Baloch, Habib Hassan, Mama Umair Ali, Pir Bux Lasi and Kamran Baloch. The Kutchis sent 10 men, including Akhtar Kutchi and Siddique Kutchi.

Initially the PPP met the Buzurg committee and the Kutchis separately. On Friday night, Talpur chaired the third one at Chief Minister House, a significant setting. As expected, the Buzurg Committee complained about the Lyari operation and cases registered against Uzair Baloch, Zafar Baloch and Habib Jan Baloch. This skirmish between the police and resistance in Lyari lasted eight days and left 26 people dead in April. An estimated 150 people were injured, including 28 policemen. The committee put the number of casualties at 40, however. “The people of Lyari have given sacrifices with their lives,” said Habib Hassan, referring to the past under Benazir Bhutto. “But instead of rewarding them, the government has put head money for their arrests.”

Sources privy to the development said that the PPP reportedly assured both groups that cases registered against their people, including PAC’s Uzair Baloch and Zafar Baloch, would be withdrawn. These two key players in Lyari are worth a combined Rs6 million in head money. Compensation would be given to those who either were killed or shot and injured during the Lyari operation. For their part, the Kutchi Raabta Committee complained about the Peoples Amn Committee who according to them was patronizing the gang war in the area to kill their workers. “We have no issue with Baloch people living in Lyari, but some criminal elements have made our lives miserable,” Kareem Kutchi told The Express Tribune on Saturday while referring to his earlier meeting with Talpur. “We have clearly asked her to take action against them.” He did say, however, that Talpur had stressed they mend fences with Baloch families.

Another significant conciliatory overture was the assurance that Lyari’s local leaders would be consulted before candidates were nominated from Lyari for the local and general elections. Kareem Kutchi told The Express Tribune that Talpur had promised that Kutchi and Baloch families will have major stake in local government and general elections. “There are two provincial and one national assembly seats, which will be divided among Kutchi and Baloch living in Lyari,” he said
Zafar Baloch, who once was in charge of security at Bilawal House, Benazir Bhutto’s residence, and later became a founding member of PAC, confirmed the meetings took place. “[Faryal Talpur] is our addi (sister in Sindhi),” he told The Express Tribune. “President Zardari Saheb has no time to meet us. She called us many times to sit and resolve the issue and that is why our people have held a meeting with her.” Sources said a further meeting may take place with the president.

“People living in Lyari, whether they are Baloch or Sindhi, are diehard supporters of the PPP,” remarked Senator Yousuf Baloch, who was one of the three negotiators. “Families fight. But you can fix it.” The fixing will involve a certain amount of legal gymnastics when it comes to the cases against PAC’s Uzair Baloch and Zafar Baloch. “We will look into the matter,” said Senator Yousuf Baloch. “The decision can be reviewed if they are innocent.” This news will not make the Muttahida Qaumi Movement happy. The party is part of the PPP’s coalition government and has been a vocal critic of the PAC, saying it was patronizing gangsters involved in extortion and other crime. On Saturday, the MQM’s Wasay Jalil said, however, that they had no idea about the meetings. “The government has banned the PAC. We cannot comment at the moment on this recent development, but we will give our reaction later on.”

No matter what the reaction is, it seems for now that the PPP and its estranged supporters in Lyari have warmed to each other. Hassan Habib of put it plainly. “It will be difficult for the PPP to get votes from Lyari without the support of PAC,” he said. “We have persuaded Addi Faryal and she has promised to withdraw the cases against PAC leaders.” The winds of change are already blowing. Following the Friday night meeting at CM House, the PPP named Hassan Habib the vice-president of the party’s Karachi division.
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yaar koi pak politics pay baat karne wala he nahi so interesting and yahan sab ghum sum

1 - Gallop poll jang reporting PML - N 44% popularity in Punjab compare to 27% PTI
2 - Sindh PPP has gone up in popularlity now at 47% so has MQM in Karachi.
3 - PTI next popular in Karachi with 18%

Conlusion PPP vote bank overall has gone down 10% with PML - N being major gainer. Its allies excluding MQM has also suffered.

Very interesting would try to see if the news published same so you can all have the exact figures, Poll date was Feb, 2012.

Anyone wana comment on Sheikh Rasheed and IK alliance?
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