Originally Posted by cyborg909
I have provided with citations mirza ghulam ahmed (its not mirza ghalib, who was the greatest poet ever) and u can google urself. If u are not aware then u shouldnt be arguing abt something u don't have knowledge abt.
The propagation law is for all except islam same with christianity or judism or hinduism so its not only Ahmedi cult based.
They are free to practice as long as they don't go along proclaming to be muslims hence the ordinance because they insist on portraying themselves as muslim..
Here is my suggestion to you since am not gonna answer to you anymore, if you are genuinely interested to understand the issue google khatam-e-nabuwwat, read up the parlimentary proceeding that led to proclamation so you have knowledge of what and how.
Secondly, you have to understand basic concept if you gonna talk about Islam what you call discrimination is not discrimination under Islam, e.g gay rights are not human rights under Islam and its not discrimination against gays, same way, men are allowed to have 4 wives, while women are not, it might be discrimination for you but its not for Muslims and I can cite example after example as e.g Jizya tax.
Now you can call it discrimination and call Islam an intolerant religion, that is fine its ur opinion and I would not argue about it cuz its ur belief, but don't go and say Islam should allow certan things cuz they are better, as a muslim its our believe ALLAH knows best and what Islam has considered halal or haram we simply have to follow as Quran is literal word of God.
See now we're getting somewhere.
Now you're changing your statement! This is progress. You just went from "they can practice as long as they don't say they are muslim" to "portray themselves as muslims".
You still haven't explained to me:
How ahmedis claiming to be muslim adversly impacts the nation.
Why ahmedis are persecuted under islamic law despite them being muslim.
How them claiming to be muslim does not actually make them muslims but they are still prosecuted under muslim law.
And you fail to realize how illogical an argument that is. "Portraying" is actually them PRACTICING their religion. The simple fact is, your statement is contradictory. If they are not allowed to 'portray' themselves as muslim, they are not allowed to properly and fully practice their faith, because the fundamentals and values of their faith are heavily entrenched in islamic tradition.
I have no understanding of how ahmedis calling themselves muslims has an adverse effect on anyone. There is no logical reason for persecution yet it occurs. Here in Canada, an Ahmedi can grab a speakerphone and scream into it that he's a muslim. Does that effect you negatively in anyway? Restrict your ability to pray? Restrict your ability to sleep at night? No, it does not. If truly, your religious responsibilities came into threat you would leave the country because you would not want to risk an afterlife of peril. You have convinced yourself, justified to yourself, the persecution of Ahmedis - despite the fact that there are no logical or conceivable benefits. If you can live here with Ahmedis saying they are muslims and have no problem with it, why can't the same occur in Pakistan. It is mindbogglingly ridiculous that people die and go to jail over this.
By the way, we are not here to discuss why, when or how the law came into place - why is that of any relevance ? The fact is that the law is in place and it restricts ahmedis of practicing islam.
And, discrimination is discrimination. There's very little room for subjectivity here. Sure, your level of empathy or apathy may vary differing the experience, ie, you might find some forms of discrimination disgusting, while I might be apathetic to them. At the end of the day though, discrimination is discrimination.
I would call islam intolerant, but i only find that it is actually the people who make the interpretations that are truly intolerant.