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10-09-2012, 07:16 AM
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The Cowardly TTP
Once again today the TTP brazenly displayed the true barbaric face of its ideology. This time the TTP crossed all boundries of cowardism and attacked an unarmed 15 year old girl. That the TTP choose her to attack speaks volume about corruption of thier ideology that can't even stand a voice of 15 year old girl.
The attack not only laid bare the TTP ideology it has also taken away any veneer of excuses (which were always pathetic) by TTP apologists, one can't talk with mad dogs one has to only hunt and kill them.
There never was, there never is and there never will be any excuse to accomodate, to open dialogue or just to tolerate these wild rabid dogs of TTP and like minded group.
The attack on Malala is not an attack on single brave voice it is an attack on every single daughter who wants education, wants respect and wants to live her life peacefully.
There can never be any justification for this attack and no amount of condemnation is enough. The only response and the right response is a full fledge attack on all fronts till the rabid dogs are put down once and for all. If that means further bloodshed then so be it, either we stand and fight or we lose everything without fighting.
There is no bigger enemy to Pakistan than the TTP and like minded groups all our energies must be directed at destroying them. TTP must be eradicated by all means possible.
I request and beg all pakistanis to propagate the message of destruction of TTP and like minded groups. They must be killed, dishonored and reviled. Let them not have an inch to stand on, forget about them being muslims they are not even humans. It is incumbent upon us to rise and destroy them by all means possible.
Malala is braver then all TTP cowards, are we brave enough to stand with her?
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10-09-2012, 07:47 AM
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Nobody likes what was done to the girl.
But when same happens to innocent ones but then coming from ISI or us drones, the rebuttal should be as strong as now.
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10-09-2012, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Kai_Fr
Nobody likes what was done to the girl.
But when same happens to innocent ones but then coming from ISI or us drones, the rebuttal should be as strong as now.
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Thats fucking bullshit, you can't justify by saying someone else doing it so its ok or demand equal condemnation.
I have strongly condemned the drone attacks, nothing justifies drone attacks. That doesn't mean am gonna sit here and justify TTP.
TTP and its aplogists can all go to hell. There is no fucking justification or excuse for TTP and like minded groups and apologists.
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10-09-2012, 08:23 AM
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Thats fucking bullshit, you can't justify by saying someone else doing it so its ok or demand equal condemnation.
I have strongly condemned the drone attacks, nothing justifies drone attacks. That doesn't mean am gonna sit here and justify TTP.
TTP and its aplogists can all go to hell. There is no fucking justification or excuse for TTP and like minded groups and apologists.
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This is exactly what I was saying. Two wrongs don't make it right. You can at least correct what's under your control, no matter what others do. The first priority should be to straighten our path instead of retaliating back.
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10-09-2012, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Kai_Fr
Nobody likes what was done to the girl.
But when same happens to innocent ones but then coming from ISI or us drones, the rebuttal should be as strong as now.
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Read this plz: The attack on Malala and the forensics of negotiation – The Express Tribune
Sami Shah raised a very important point what Malala Has to do with drone attacks?
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10-09-2012, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kai_Fr
Nobody likes what was done to the girl.
But when same happens to innocent ones but then coming from ISI or us drones, the rebuttal should be as strong as now.
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AHMAD and cyborg have already said what needed to be said..but I'd just like to add..
You're are drawing a false equivalence there...
Do you not see a distinction between collateral damage, and the intent to actively go after an innocent person or people?
I'm not by any stretch defending drone attacks, or condoning them, or justifying them..
But there is a distinction in intentionally targeting the killing of a 14 yr old, and others being caught in the cross fire.
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10-09-2012, 11:23 AM
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Nobody likes what was done to the girl.
But when same happens to innocent ones but then coming from ISI or us drones, the rebuttal should be as strong as now.
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i posted in the other thread that the taliban apologists will justify this....exhibit A folks....
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10-09-2012, 11:34 AM
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taliban apologists should be anhiliated along with taliban itself. we must leave no stone unturned in this fight. cyborg you like to call me extremist, yes, i am an extremist for tolerance, moderation, peace, and justice. the values that our nation was founded upon. and i support ANNIHILATING anyone who disagrees with this, and i don't care if that makes me an extremist, a liberal terrorist, or whatever else. i pray for our jawaans and security forces because it will fall to them to execute this mission, may Allah continue to give them strength and patience to their families. this is a fight for the soul of our country, and there can only be one winner. yes it sounds hollywood-esque but that's the reality we face and it's time for people to wake up. we must take a side, we all must, and stick to it. and media needs to a play a huge role in this and stop supporting the status quo.
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10-09-2012, 06:23 PM
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taliban apologists should be anhiliated along with taliban itself. we must leave no stone unturned in this fight. cyborg you like to call me extremist, yes, i am an extremist for tolerance, moderation, peace, and justice. the values that our nation was founded upon. and i support ANNIHILATING anyone who disagrees with this, and i don't care if that makes me an extremist, a liberal terrorist, or whatever else. i pray for our jawaans and security forces because it will fall to them to execute this mission, may Allah continue to give them strength and patience to their families. this is a fight for the soul of our country, and there can only be one winner. yes it sounds hollywood-esque but that's the reality we face and it's time for people to wake up. we must take a side, we all must, and stick to it. and media needs to a play a huge role in this and stop supporting the status quo.
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Its not about calling you extremist or not. We as a whole society are too emotional. TTP, Sipah-e-sahapa, Let whatever the fuck thier names are able to survive because the society is fragmented.
This henious attack has been condemned by everyone. Yet all I can read on blogs and forums is how its fault of PTI or JI or JUI OR PML - N etc etc. That plays in hand of these organization, because when criticism like this comes then political loyalties takes over and the issue is turned into politics, the more we fight among each other the more it helps these retards.
ANP and PPP out on media blaming JUI JI PTI and PML - N, for fucking what? The main culprit is TTP then the govt both at federal level and provincial level, so instead of admitting that they provided her with shit asss security and failed to protect her they out there deflecting thier failure by accusing their opponents TTP sympathizer and etc. Tell me how its gonna help fight this.
The problem will continue till we admit 1st that the issue is we have no consensus and accusing, mudslinging or point scoring have been the reason for this. So instead of correcting the course our political and educated class creates more division.
The issue is very simple, TTP or ideology like TTP can't be allowed to live on, the issue is not how to stop it from taking roots because obviously it has taken roots in a section of public. So the only issue is how do we eradicate? Now we can use Malala as symbol and say whatever political and ideological differences most of us agree we are not in favor of this ideology and go after them, or go back to respective camps of liberals/right wingers etc etc and blast each other saying its ur fault.
I suspect we gonna do the later because it helps the current govt and army, its better that the public remains divided and confused for them to continue with thier incompetence.
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10-09-2012, 09:59 PM
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yes cyborg, we have to come together and agree that annihilation of taliban is our number 1 goal. that's it. they, along with anyone who supports them, should be annihilated. enough is enough. we must make it very clear, this is a fight between pakistan vs. taliban, and everyone must pick a side. if you are on the pakistan side, doesn't matter where you are from or what you have done what crimes you have committed. and if you support talibani ideology, then pick up your swords and prepare to fight to the death, not against civilians but against the armed forces of pakistan. then we'll see how brave these assholes are.
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10-09-2012, 10:30 PM
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yes cyborg, we have to come together and agree that annihilation of taliban is our number 1 goal. that's it. they, along with anyone who supports them, should be annihilated. enough is enough. we must make it very clear, this is a fight between pakistan vs. taliban, and everyone must pick a side. if you are on the pakistan side, doesn't matter where you are from or what you have done what crimes you have committed. and if you support talibani ideology, then pick up your swords and prepare to fight to the death, not against civilians but against the armed forces of pakistan. then we'll see how brave these assholes are.
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Adil its a tough fight but its not the won that we cant overcome. My sole point is enough of self loathing, enough of who did what or how we came across. I can have different ideas and political inclination with you or anyne else but that is and should stays as difference of opinon. Its not just TTP, we can cry over thier latest atrocity but would make no difference to them.
We have to simplify the issue, stop mudslinging and demands stand with us or against us or label ppl as per our perceptions. In other posts i laid out what needed to be done but I realize thats a long order and this govt is useless.
So here is my proposal, Law and order, we have existing laws, lets start with law and order in society, in my humble opinion just doing this bare minimum we can solve lot of issues.
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10-10-2012, 12:52 AM
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F the TTP
attacking little girls
bc choorian phen leni chaye hai in bc ko!
allah hi bachaye pakistan ko in say, we need to f"£$%ng blanket bomb these b@$£"rds so aik hi hit mei sab k sab mar jain!
i know its not possible but sometimes i wish we could do that man!
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10-10-2012, 05:52 AM
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What's wrong with your brains guys ???
Where did I justify the coward attacks? I'm just asking for equal condemnation when INNOCENT CHILDREN are killed by US drones OR ttp, nothing more. Americans know there have been plenty of collateral damage, but still execute their attacks.
ONCE AGAIN, I'm not defending TTP.
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What's wrong with your brains guys ???
Where did I justify the coward attacks? I'm just asking for equal condemnation when INNOCENT CHILDREN are killed by US drones OR ttp, nothing more. Americans know there have been plenty of collateral damage, but still execute their attacks.
ONCE AGAIN, I'm not defending TTP.
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For a false equivalence? I already addressed why there IS a difference in a few posts above..
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10-10-2012, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Kai_Fr
What's wrong with your brains guys ???
Where did I justify the coward attacks? I'm just asking for equal condemnation when INNOCENT CHILDREN are killed by US drones OR ttp, nothing more. Americans know there have been plenty of collateral damage, but still execute their attacks.
ONCE AGAIN, I'm not defending TTP.
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and I have condemned it several times so why u asking abt condemnation now? Two wrongs don't make it right
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