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Demonstrations spread over anti-Islam film

Protests in Yemen, Iran, Tunisia and Gaza now echo anger in Egypt and Libya over film made in US that disrespects Islam.

Protesters angered by an anti-Islam film have stormed the US embassy compound in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, as similar demonstrations have spread to several countries across the Middle East.
The protesters on Thursday removed the embassy's sign on the outer wall and brought down the US flag and burned it, according to witnesses.
A number of diplomatic vehicle were torched as security forces used water cannons and warning shots in a bid to drive them out.
In the Iranian capital, Tehran, up to 500 people protested over the issue chanting "Death to America!" and death to the movie's director, an AFP photographer at the scene said.
The rally, near the Swiss embassy that handles US interests in the absence of US-Iran diplomatic ties, ended peacefully two hours later.

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Meanwhile, Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has condemned the film that has sparked an outcry in his country.
"We Egyptians reject any kind of assault or insult against our prophet. I condemn and oppose all who... insult our prophet," Morsi, on an official visit to Brussels, said in remarks broadcast by Egyptian state television.
"[But] it is our duty to protect our guests and visitors from abroad... I call on everyone to take that into consideration, to not violate Egyptian law... to not assault embassies," he added.
Egyptians have clashed with police outside US embassy in the capital, Cairo, for the third day.
About 30 people have been injured, including more than 10 riot police in the overnight clashes, as the fallout from a film ridiculing Islam's prophet continued to rage on Thursday.
Police have used tear gas to disperse the crowd, as interior ministry said at least 12 people have been arrested.
American flags were also burned in Tunisia, outside the US embassy in the capital, Tunis.
Police fired tear gas at demonstrators who shouted their opposition to the film, and chanted slogans against the US.
A small crowd also burned an American flag in Gaza City where Hamas, the elected government there, has condemned the film.
Despite the Egyptian government's call for calm protesters chanted in the streets and fires burned.
Innocence of Muslims, the film that mocked Muhammad, was allegedly produced in the US by a filmmaker with ties to Coptic Christian groups, and excerpted on YouTube with dubbing in Arabic.
On Wednesday, about 200 demonstrators took part in protests in the Egyptian capital.
They rallied into the night chanting "leave Egypt" but there was however no repeat of the previous day's events when angry crowds climbed the walls of the complex and tore down an American flag, which they replaced briefly with a black, Islamist flag.

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Meanwhile, YouTube, the video website owned by Google Inc, has said it will not remove the film clip, but it has blocked access to it in those countries.
The prosecutor-general said on Wednesday that four people were being questioned after Tuesday's events.
Nine Coptic Egyptian-Americans were also put on an airport watch list. They are believed to have contributed to the production of the anti-Islam film that led to the embassy protest.
The man behind the protests told Al Jazeera he just wanted to combat insults against Islam through legal and peaceful means. Wesam Abdel Wareth, the protest organiser, said his group was not happy that young people who joined their protest brought down the US flag.
He also said there was no co-ordination with protesters in Libya, and he condemned the violence there.
On Tuesday, Egypt's prestigious Al-Azhar mosque condemned a symbolic "trial" of the Prophet organised by a US group, including Terry Jones, a Christian pastor who triggered riots in Afghanistan in 2010 by threatening to burn the Quran.
But it was not immediately clear whether the event sponsored by Jones also prompted the embassy events.

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Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama has called the leaders of Egypt and Libya to discuss security co-operation following the violence in Cairo and Benghazi, the White House has said.

Iraqi supporters of Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr burn the Israeli and the US flags in the Iraqi city of Kut [AFP] Obama urged Egypt to uphold its commitments to defend US diplomatic facilities and personnel and called on Libya to work with US authorities to bring those behind the deadly attack on the US consulate to justice.
Morsi promised Egypt "would honour its obligation to ensure the safety of American personnel", the White House said.
Obama told Morsi that while "he rejects efforts to denigrate Islam ... there is never any justification for violence against innocents".
Whatever the cause, the events appeared to underscore how much the ground in the Middle East has shifted for Washington, which for decades had close ties with Arab dictators who could be counted on to crush dissent.

Obama's administration in recent weeks had appeared to overcome some of its initial caution after the election of an Islamist Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsi, offering his government desperately needed debt relief and backing for international loans.
Egypt is neither an ally nor an enemy of the United States, Obama said on Wednesday.
"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," Obama said in excerpts of an interview with Telemundo aired by MSNBC. - AlJazzera
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Peaceful protests are fine.
But when you take rocket launchers and kill ambassadors, that's not cool.
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Peaceful protests are fine.
But when you take rocket launchers and kill ambassadors, that's not cool.
Everyone tells pakistan u shall reap as you sow, This ambassador was key point man for ben ghazi "rebels" against qaddafi, so as pakistani my mssg is also same "u shall reap as u sow".
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Everyone tells pakistan u shall reap as you sow, This ambassador was key point man for ben ghazi "rebels" against qaddafi, so as pakistani my mssg is also same "u shall reap as u sow".
Talk about false equivalencies....
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^ exactly, what do rebels or the libyan civil war have to do with anything here?
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the ambassor was killed by the same people who were funded and armed by US and NATO for arab springs. Not by someone else.


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what a disgusting film ! saw first minute of the trailor and then closed it.
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the ambassor was killed by the same people who were funded and armed by US and NATO for arab springs. Not by someone else.


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what a disgusting film ! saw first minute of the trailor and then closed it.

Citation required in regards to the attackers from yesterday....?


As for your comment about the film. You're 100% right. It was just really stupid, silly, garbage with no value of any aesthetic, education, entertainment of any sorts.
And to think they had a $5 million budget!
It was comedic and really stupid the whole thing. Why would anyone even pay much attention to it is what I didn't get.
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Talk about false equivalencies....
Its not false equivalence US and cronies armed and led the way to plunge Libya in chaos they are reaping what they sowed. All cuz french wanted monoply on libyan oil, all they succeeded was giving al-qaeda's fuckers another foothole. So they reaping what they sowed its not false equivalence every action has a reaction.
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Citation required in regards to the attackers from yesterday....?


As for your comment about the film. You're 100% right. It was just really stupid, silly, garbage with no value of any aesthetic, education, entertainment of any sorts.
And to think they had a $5 million budget!
It was comedic and really stupid the whole thing. Why would anyone even pay much attention to it is what I didn't get.
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It was all the way al-qaida people revoulting and fighting in the entire middle-east. All the news agencies have quoted this point. These are the same people who have been released from Gitmo and handed guns and bombs and money by US and NATO. Why are you behaving like a stuborn kid ?

Now the same people have not liked something so they go and attack US embassy becuase the Jewish film maker is a US Citizen. So it makes sense to avenge the actions of a jewish person on americans ????

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And to think they had a $5 million budget!
It was comedic and really stupid the whole thing. Why would anyone even pay much attention to it is what I didn't get.
Why did muslims pay attention to salman rushdie's book ? why did people pay attention to danish cartoons ? why have muslims paid attention to non-muslims consistently absuing the Prophet Muhammad PBUH in the past ?
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I was reading youtube comments and one user posted something that caught my attention :-

The jews stir up trouble and the americans then have to clean up jews's acts.
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I honestly believe it is an inside job. The ambassadar was murdered. Now I know this guy christopher stevens was a very impotant man. He was the reason why al-qaida rebels were supported by the US and NATO becuase he convicned the americans in doing so would be frutiful.

Like in every deal any party changes their goals and if your goals become opposite to that of the americans then you are not a problem to be eliminated even if you are one of them.

Now to find out what was this ambassodar on to ? I have been searching google for any headlines or news before his death that would show that he was on to somehting: alas I have not been able to find any news. All the searches are showing one headline i.e, ambassadar killed....etc etc. which is annoying and not helpful.
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Anti-Islam Filmmaker Went by ‘P.J. Tobacco’ and 13 Other Names

He went by many names, the man who helped produce “The Innocence of Muslims,” the inflammatory video now roiling the Middle East: Matthew Nekola; Ahmed Hamdy; Amal Nada; Daniel K. Caresman; Kritbag Difrat; Sobhi Bushra; Robert Bacily; Nicola Bacily; Thomas J. Tanas; Erwin Salameh; Mark Basseley Youssef; Yousseff M. Basseley; Malid Ahlawi; even P.J. Tobacco.


But his real name — the one he used when he was sent to prison for bank fraud — was Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. His habit of adopting other identities earned him a 21-month sentence in federal prison. During 2008 and 2009, court documents reviewed by Danger Room (.pdf) and embedded below show that Nakoula again and again opened bank accounts with fake names and stolen social security numbers. Then Nakoula would deposit bogus checks into the new accounts and withdraw money before the checks bounced. The scheme worked for more than a year, until he was indicted in June of 2009. Eventually, he was ordered to stay off of the internet unless he got his probation officer’s permission, and pay a $794,700 fine.


Yet Nakoula’s fakery apparently continued. Actors hired to perform in “Innocence” say they had no idea the movie they were making would be so deliberately offensive to Muslims; in fact, many of the most provocative lines were overdubbed after the fact. Basseley swears he’s not “Sam Bacile,” the director and writer of the movie; he just happens to have a similar name, and coincidentally was found at the address tied to the cellphone of “Bacile.”


This is the man whose work is now at the center of one of the gravest diplomatic disasters in recent memory, whose video is at least partially responsible for attacks that claimed the lives of four U.S. employees, including the American ambassador to Libya. It shows how U.S. foreign policy in the 21st century is at risk of being derailed by a single, pseudonymous fraudster. In the 1990s, Marine Gen. Charles Krulak famously coined the phrase “The Strategic Corporal” to describe how a 19-year old Leatherneck’s actions, broadcast worldwide, could derail U.S. interests. Meet Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the Strategic Con Man.
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Read complete article on Wired.com, It's a must read.


But still what was the motive, or was he just too stupid and ignorant?
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Is Ishq-e-Rasool served served by killing someone who had nothing to do with the movie's making? the US ambassador to Libya certainly didn't make the movie or present it in any way....also does this help our muslim countries? no, yet again we have been unable to protest with dignity, in an organized fashion, has anyone brought a lawsuit against the producers of this movie for defamation? for inciting hate speech? nahi...wohi pagalpana, jhanday jalao embassy jalao etc....1979 kaaba takeover was A to Z a salafi job and what did we do in pakistan, burnt down the US embassy....idiocy ki bi hadd hoti hai.
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