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Imran Khan likens Muslim sentiment for blasphemy to Jews' for holocaust

Imran Khan likens Muslim sentiment for blasphemy to Jews’ for holocaust – The Express Tribune

CHITRAL: Touching upon the sensitive issue of the blasphemous film that has generated massive protests by Muslims everywhere, Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan likened the sentiments of Muslims for blasphemy with that of the Jews’ for the holocaust and asked for similar rights with regard to hate speech.

Speaking in Chitral and taking the Jewish Holocaust as an example, Khan said that people in Europe can be jailed for just questioning the actuality of the massacre because it hurt the sentiments of the Jews.

“We are also being hurt in the name of ‘freedom of speech’,” said Khan. “We will also get the same law implemented for us in the West,” he added.

Khan said that the people of the West were ignorant of Islam and it was their ignorance which was being manipulated by the people spreading hate against the religion.

“They do not know how much we love our beloved Prophet (pbuh) … that Muslims are willing to sacrifice their lives for him,” said Khan.

“I take the responsibility to educate them about how much we love our beloved Prophet (pbuh),” he said.

Waziristan rally

About the rally to Waziristan on October 7, Khan said it would include journalists and human rights organisations, who would tell the world what was really happening in drone strikes and who the actual victims of it were.

He said drone attacks were not just killing militants; they were killing innocents including women and children.

He said that the PTI would take Pakistan’s biggest rally ever to Waziristan along with journalists and human rights organisations from foreign countries so they could show the people there what was truly happening in these drone strikes.

Speaking on the ‘war on terror’, Khan said: “Taking part in America’s war has destroyed us.”

“Every month we are spending Rs90 billion on this war,” he said, adding that people were dying and money was being wasted because of it.

“When a person’s family dies, he picks up arms in revenge and uses it against his own countrymen,” said Khan, adding that America’s war was killing Pakistanis on both sides.

“We will let the people there [abroad] know what is happening in this war because this war will only end when the people of the US and UK protest against it,” said Khan.

Criticising political parties, Khan said: “No other party has the courage to go to Waziristan.”

The new Pakistan and people’s rights

Addressing other issues and promising a new Pakistan, Khan talked about development, education, jobs and hospitals in Chitral.

He promised the people of Chitral that PTI would work on their development so they would not have to rush back and forth to Peshawar.

He said that as per its economic policy, PTI would generate jobs for them, create hospital and colleges.

The PTI chief said that at least 3000MW of electricity could be generated from the springs of Chitral.

“You should not be facing loadshedding,” said Khan. “Every spring can generate electricity … Chitral can progress and cheap electricity will take you forward.”

He added that the royalties from the generated electricity could be used to make universities so the Chitrali youth would not have to go elsewhere to study.

Speaking on development in Chitral, Khan said that the lack of progress on the Lowari tunnel was not due to monetary problems.

“There was money but it went into their pockets; it went out of the country,” he said.

“You all want change, a new Pakistan, a just system, release from old politicians,” said Khan, adding that this was what PTI was offering.

He said that PTI would ensure the development funds would go to the locals and they would get to decide where that money should be spent.

Speaking on elections within the PTI itself, he said that no other party was doing this either. He urged the people to participate in the elections, telling them that they could be leaders as well.

“But whoever comes in this team will play according to our rules, our laws,” said Khan.

“Those who do will help us make a new Pakistan, if not they will respectfully be let go of.”
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Only one problem i.e. this movie was made in the US, not *Europe*.


Btw, who is this "we" that will implement this law? No one even knows or gives two flying you know who about Imran Khan. This time the protests weren't violent in Pakistan, but do I expect imran khan to stand up and say so if they had? sorry, but the so called tsunami khan is like a drop of tear when it comes to the so-called religious right of Pakistan.


Fareed Zakaria over at CNN had a grand idea for once. He said that why don't muslims make a good movie about the Prophet instead of engaging in this crap? The guy wanted this incitement to happen and now there is proof to the non-muslims that muslms are a bunch of whiny mobs or more like a billion members of MQM rabita committee.
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Only one problem i.e. this movie was made in the US, not *Europe*.


Btw, who is this "we" that will implement this law? No one even knows or gives two flying you know who about Imran Khan. This time the protests weren't violent in Pakistan, but do I expect imran khan to stand up and say so if they had? sorry, but the so called tsunami khan is like a drop of tear when it comes to the so-called religious right of Pakistan.


Fareed Zakaria over at CNN had a grand idea for once. He said that why don't muslims make a good movie about the Prophet instead of engaging in this crap? The guy wanted this incitement to happen and now there is proof to the non-muslims that muslms are a bunch of whiny mobs or more like a billion members of MQM rabita committee.
U do understand that movies showing soem actor as prophet PBUH or in any form are prohibited in Islam? There are plenty of documentries abt Islam and Prophet so its not that there is any lack of material.

Secondly what IK did was highlighted the sensitivity of issue by linking it to something that west can understand plainly i.e just like denying holocaust is considered blasphemous in west same way it is for muslims in general the issue of insulting the prophet.

Weak protests, powerful gets even. Its funny to see so many trying to explain to Muslims how to protest, last I checked No muslim have ever asked for that particular advise.

Oh the lamentation how muslims can easily get riled up, what a load of crap, ppl i.e masses gets riled up easily and express their rage accordingly, US got attacked on 9/11 by Saudi citizens which planned the operation in Germany of 11, 9 entered US legally and stayed in US. Yet US attacked Afghanistan, they US told its public that Saddam was behind 9/11 and has WMD and US attacked Iraq with 72% of US population agreeing with that decision, see how stupid the masses are but they are powerful so they use military means, use sanctions, the weak can only protest and swear.

So may I ask very humbly most muslims didn't ask for advise so plz keep the advise to urself.
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So may I ask very humbly most muslims didn't ask for advise so plz keep the advise to urself.
yes, muslims should be free to break things, kill people, set cars on fire, and publicaly make fools of themselves and their brothers and sisters, how dare we expect any better?
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yes, muslims should be free to break things, kill people, set cars on fire, and publicaly make fools of themselves and their brothers and sisters, how dare we expect any better?
Once again and what U r sane lot has done? Since u guys are sane and so wise so pray tell what have u guys done?

This is the height of sensibility that you don't even read my post as whole and pick one part and start blasting, if u had read I said specifically weak ppl do protest and swear thats what weakness only allows to do, ppl who are doing this are weak they don't have power, they don't have means vwhether education, whether media manipulation or whether make their own government do something so what they have left to show their outrage? Lemme ask u something oh u wise one pray tell me which protest have been peaceful in Pakistan? OR any 3rd world country? Or better yet in any developed countries when issues have been highly controversial?
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U do understand that movies showing soem actor as prophet PBUH or in any form are prohibited in Islam? There are plenty of documentries abt Islam and Prophet so its not that there is any lack of material.

Secondly what IK did was highlighted the sensitivity of issue by linking it to something that west can understand plainly i.e just like denying holocaust is considered blasphemous in west same way it is for muslims in general the issue of insulting the prophet.

Weak protests, powerful gets even. Its funny to see so many trying to explain to Muslims how to protest, last I checked No muslim have ever asked for that particular advise.

Oh the lamentation how muslims can easily get riled up, what a load of crap, ppl i.e masses gets riled up easily and express their rage accordingly, US got attacked on 9/11 by Saudi citizens which planned the operation in Germany of 11, 9 entered US legally and stayed in US. Yet US attacked Afghanistan, they US told its public that Saddam was behind 9/11 and has WMD and US attacked Iraq with 72% of US population agreeing with that decision, see how stupid the masses are but they are powerful so they use military means, use sanctions, the weak can only protest and swear.

So may I ask very humbly most muslims didn't ask for advise so plz keep the advise to urself.
bhaijaan....America's war against iraq was protested all across Europe millions marched against it....aaj dekhlo karachi main kya hua....protests....one person died 9 injured...petrol pump jaladiya....gariyan jaladi....what is the point of that? some body wants us to get riled up and get violent and damage our own things, what do we do....we do EXACTLY that....
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Once again and what U r sane lot has done? Since u guys are sane and so wise so pray tell what have u guys done?

This is the height of sensibility that you don't even read my post as whole and pick one part and start blasting, if u had read I said specifically weak ppl do protest and swear thats what weakness only allows to do, ppl who are doing this are weak they don't have power, they don't have means vwhether education, whether media manipulation or whether make their own government do something so what they have left to show their outrage? Lemme ask u something oh u wise one pray tell me which protest have been peaceful in Pakistan? OR any 3rd world country? Or better yet in any developed countries when issues have been highly controversial?
sorry, being poor and weak does not excuse you from crime and violence. can't believe this is what you are implying. your excuses have reached new lows. there are millions of poor people around the world who do not break things and kill people when provoked.

our country would be a better place if only one thing occured: if people would have the courage to stand up and blatantly say when someone does something wrong instead of making excuses and justifying it. this simple action would take us boldly into the future.
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sorry, being poor and weak does not excuse you from crime and violence. can't believe this is what you are implying. your excuses have reached new lows. there are millions of poor people around the world who do not break things and kill people when provoked.

our country would be a better place if only one thing occured: if people would have the courage to stand up and blatantly say when someone does something wrong instead of making excuses and justifying it. this simple action would take us boldly into the future.
Ur brcoming dumb where did i say its an excuse?

Try reading and understand what am saying if you can't understand u can always ask me for clarification? In the other thread I mentioned specifically that poverty is not one of the reason or a valid reason for any crime. If u want i can search and give u post number so u can have no doubt.

Our country would be a better place if lot of thing occurs, why should ppl stand and say what is right and what is wrong what protection they have for that? Anyone who speaks the truth get his ass handed over to him. Anyone who dare to do right thing get smeared and ridiculed. Heck 65 yrs later we cant even decide what is the reason for pakistan. We have zardari as president, we have ali baba chalis choor as leaders and u want common man to stand and speak the truth when he does police drawing room main voh maze karwatee hai ke hosh thikane aajae.

Try speaking the truth in karachi go on speak against Altaf see what happens to u or against any leader.

The main problem and the one that needs to be fixed is not speaking truth or have this or that only one problem i.e Law and order fix that and almost all other problems could be fixed. Law and order and u cant understand this simple problem and want to fix pakistan.

BTW did u ask same from rest of the world to stand up and do the right thing? Sure a tiny majority does but they have no impact majority always defend thier own country thier own religion cuz thats the way it has always been and thats the way it will always be.

The point I been trying to make and been saying is, mob violence is wrong and shall be wrong irregardless of whoever does it. At same point one has to understand what are conditions on ground to effectively counter or chnage that, the way 3rd world country protests is almost always violently. This is the reality, specially because most of the masses are powerless and whenever they find a venue to release thier frusturation they will do that. Thats why its so easy for any tom, dick and harry to incite violence in any 3rd world country specially in low socio-econimic classes, when ppl are mad and doing this pontificating abt their action is useless. Why u think most countries allow violent protest for simple reason it allows a controlled way to release the tension in society and allow pppl for sometime to feel powerful and that they are being heard. Pontificating and passing judgement ant gonna help. Ever wonder why ppl destroy public property in pak? Cuz they don't feel it is public property, they don't feel related with govt. To change that you need to change from above, hence my emphasis on law and order once ppl see there is law and order and actions have concequences then and only then they will think before breaking the law.
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Only one problem i.e. this movie was made in the US, not *Europe*.


Btw, who is this "we" that will implement this law? No one even knows or gives two flying you know who about Imran Khan. This time the protests weren't violent in Pakistan, but do I expect imran khan to stand up and say so if they had? sorry, but the so called tsunami khan is like a drop of tear when it comes to the so-called religious right of Pakistan.


Fareed Zakaria over at CNN had a grand idea for once. He said that why don't muslims make a good movie about the Prophet instead of engaging in this crap? The guy wanted this incitement to happen and now there is proof to the non-muslims that muslms are a bunch of whiny mobs or more like a billion members of MQM rabita committee.
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bhaijaan....America's war against iraq was protested all across Europe millions marched against it....aaj dekhlo karachi main kya hua....protests....one person died 9 injured...petrol pump jaladiya....gariyan jaladi....what is the point of that? some body wants us to get riled up and get violent and damage our own things, what do we do....we do EXACTLY that....
Did it stop Iraq war? Does any of Iraq war perpetrators are facing justice?

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1000 total and u labeling all muslims? We now know who actually was behind Libya embassy attack wasnt some mob was al-qaeda.
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1000 total and u labeling all muslims? We now know who actually was behind Libya embassy attack wasnt some mob was al-qaeda.
of course blaming ALL muslims would be facetious and incorrect, i am one, so are you and we aren't out there burning things, but there is a sizable proportion doing that. I read the 1 dead 9 injured report in dawn....else i wouldnt have quoted it. of course the mob violence was a very good ready made diversion for the locos behind the libya attack but i feel it is more important for us to create awareness amongst our own on how to constructively respond when someone is trying to incite you to violence.
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of course blaming ALL muslims would be facetious and incorrect, i am one, so are you and we aren't out there burning things, but there is a sizable proportion doing that. I read the 1 dead 9 injured report in dawn....else i wouldnt have quoted it. of course the mob violence was a very good ready made diversion for the locos behind the libya attack but i feel it is more important for us to create awareness amongst our own on how to constructively respond when someone is trying to incite you to violence.
Dude 1000 protestors is not even sizeable portion, come on.
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thousand in khi....i was talking about the world bhai....libya, egypt, tunisia, yemen, etc etc....in that sense...
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thousand in khi....i was talking about the world bhai....libya, egypt, tunisia, yemen, etc etc....in that sense...
Except for egypt where security forces easily handled and Brotherhood wasn't keen on protest otherwise the situation would have been worst, the salafist group were mostly the one stirring the trouble and it didn't even stayed more then one day.

Libya and yemen had both strong al-qaeda's presence specially yemen which is in middle of civil war so u cant count them.

Think abt when satanic verses came out and now think abt danish cartoon think abt the reaction then and compare it to it now.
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Except for egypt where security forces easily handled and Brotherhood wasn't keen on protest otherwise the situation would have been worst, the salafist group were mostly the one stirring the trouble and it didn't even stayed more then one day.

Libya and yemen had both strong al-qaeda's presence specially yemen which is in middle of civil war so u cant count them.

Think abt when satanic verses came out and now think abt danish cartoon think abt the reaction then and compare it to it now.
oh its definitely improved if you consider those incidents....hopefully it should keep improving....
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