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cyborg909 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 08:57 AM

India slams Pakistan at UN | DAWN.COM

UNITED NATIONS: India’s foreign minister has slammed Pakistan for raising the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir at the United Nations.

S. M. Krishna told the General Assembly on Monday that India has resumed dialogue with Pakistan and wants to normalize relations. But he lashed out at his country’s South Asian neighbor for bringing up Kashmir in a speech last week by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari.

”An unwarranted reference has been made to Jammu and Kashmir from this podium,” he said, adding, ”We wish to make it abundantly clear that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India.”

A violent separatist insurgency and the ensuing crackdown by Indian forces have killed about 68,000 people in Kashmir, where public resentment against Indian rule runs deep.

cyborg909 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 08:57 AM

Abb baja lo aman ki asha ka bhoonpoo kuch aur, kutte ki dum humesha terhee he rahe gee.

It's Time · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cyborg909

Abb baja lo aman ki asha ka bhoonpoo kuch aur, kutte ki dum humesha terhee he rahe gee.

are you serious bro? Please don't say anything against Aman ki asha. We have some members here who are so far up India's ass that anything against India is going directly against them.

F India, All this Aman ki asha and they blocked our water. India always say negative things about Pakistan in UN. so all you Indian Ass kissers can LPC for all I care. And no I don't give a rats-ass about what kind of language i use. I hope no Jack ass deletes my comment.

Cry me a river for all I care.

Lahoriii · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 09:51 AM

I think it is scientifically impossible to "block" water...

It's Time · #5 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lahoriii

I think it is scientifically impossible to "block" water...

Build Dams?

The point is simple, India does not want Pakistan as a friend. They will do everything they can to down grade us. Remember during 911 India had it's army ready at the borders because the USA threaten us. I am not saying start a war with India but I want to make clear that it's always Pakistan who extends a friendship hand. It's always Pakistan who want peace with India. Make no mistake India will take any opportunity they find to attack Pakistan in terms of dialogue or other means.
Even when it comes to Cricket it's always PCB asking India for a series. IPL no Pakistan players (so where is aman ki asha?)

adil_909 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 02:11 PM

lol you guys are so funny. seriously pakistani victim mentality runs so deep its sad. number 1, what kind of headline is this? people here love to slam indian media for making sensationalist headlines, and then look at the headline of this story and then what the content is. ridiculous. secondly, every time there is a hint of animosity between india and pakistan, all the cynics come out of their caves going "oh aman ki asha so stupid blah blah blah". here's a shocker folks, india and pakistan don't get along diplomatically so this won't be first and last flare of tensions. to bring up aman ki asha every time something happens just shows how insecure and some people are. it has nothing to do with aman ki asha, which is a symbolic gesture expressing greater a desire for a better and more peaceful future. honestly, only pakistanis would say no to stability and peace, it's like we can only function in choas and turmoil, stability and sanity is too boring for our sensibilities. finally, like it or hate it, india is our next door neighbor and its not going anywhere. as india continues to develop and become a prominent global player, pakistan has a choice to make whether we take advantage of the opportunities this presents at a diplomatic and governmental level, or we can continue current path of animosity, mistrust, hatred, and fear that benifits nobody.

It's Time · #7 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by adil_909

lol you guys are so funny. seriously pakistani victim mentality runs so deep its sad. number 1, what kind of headline is this? people here love to slam indian media for making sensationalist headlines, and then look at the headline of this story and then what the content is. ridiculous. secondly, every time there is a hint of animosity between india and pakistan, all the cynics come out of their caves going "oh aman ki asha so stupid blah blah blah". here's a shocker folks, india and pakistan don't get along diplomatically so this won't be first and last flare of tensions. to bring up aman ki asha every time something happens just shows how insecure and some people are. it has nothing to do with aman ki asha, which is a symbolic gesture expressing greater a desire for a better and more peaceful future. honestly, only pakistanis would say no to stability and peace, it's like we can only function in choas and turmoil, stability and sanity is too boring for our sensibilities. finally, like it or hate it, india is our next door neighbor and its not going anywhere. as india continues to develop and become a prominent global player, pakistan has a choice to make whether we take advantage of the opportunities this presents at a diplomatic and governmental level, or we can continue current path of animosity, mistrust, hatred, and fear that benifits nobody.

So let me get this. So what your saying is since India has better economy we should bow down and go down on them. India has the rites to criticize Pakistan but anytime someone says anything about India people like you who think they are better human beings then the rest start preaching.

We all know what Pakistan is and how the government is run. We know all the things which are wrong in out country. And of course since our Neighbor/Enemy (that's what India considers us to be) is doing so well that we should not criticize them for the two face they are.

You can get down all you want son but at the end of they day they will do you from the behind.

Enjoy while it lasts.

-hassan- · #8 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by It's Time

Build Dams?

The point is simple, India does not want Pakistan as a friend. They will do everything they can to down grade us. Remember during 911 India had it's army ready at the borders because the USA threaten us. I am not saying start a war with India but I want to make clear that it's always Pakistan who extends a friendship hand. It's always Pakistan who want peace with India. Make no mistake India will take any opportunity they find to attack Pakistan in terms of dialogue or other means.
Even when it comes to Cricket it's always PCB asking India for a series. IPL no Pakistan players (so where is aman ki asha?)

What have you achieved in more than 60 years by fighting with India? You have only lost.

Lahoriii · #9 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by It's Time

Build Dams?

The point is simple, India does not want Pakistan as a friend. They will do everything they can to down grade us. Remember during 911 India had it's army ready at the borders because the USA threaten us. I am not saying start a war with India but I want to make clear that it's always Pakistan who extends a friendship hand. It's always Pakistan who want peace with India. Make no mistake India will take any opportunity they find to attack Pakistan in terms of dialogue or other means.
Even when it comes to Cricket it's always PCB asking India for a series. IPL no Pakistan players (so where is aman ki asha?)

If the dams stopped the flow of water there would be mass flooding on the other side. If the dam only stopped the flow of the water, then they would be the most retarded and useless damns in the world. Water has to flow to the other side to power turbines, the force is increased using gravity. The same quantity of water flows to the other side as it would without the damn...

maverick86 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 03:37 PM

what did we expect? after zardaris statement its not like india would have said....'here's kashmir, on a plate'....

mind you, we did conclude the simla agreement so as to not broach the kashmir issue on international forums....we dont need to worry about aman ki asha or no aman ki asha, we have lots of problems, we cant afford to have another antagonistic showdown with india....to no end. its just not smart.

adil_909 · #11 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by It's Time

So let me get this. So what your saying is since India has better economy we should bow down and go down on them. India has the rites to criticize Pakistan but anytime someone says anything about India people like you who think they are better human beings then the rest start preaching.

We all know what Pakistan is and how the government is run. We know all the things which are wrong in out country. And of course since our Neighbor/Enemy (that's what India considers us to be) is doing so well that we should not criticize them for the two face they are.

You can get down all you want son but at the end of they day they will do you from the behind.

Enjoy while it lasts.

people like you are worried about india doing us from the behind, and your equivalents in india are worried about pakistan doing them from the behind. you guys keep sitting around worrying about the behinds and when you get some freedom from that maybe we can focus on making some progress helping make pakistan a better place. at the end of the day, we have to do what is best for our country, and as far as i'm concerned cordial relations wiht india are definitely in our national interest. put another way, picking fights and pissing off india is definitely NOT in our national interest!

It's Time · #12 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by adil_909

people like you are worried about india doing us from the behind, and your equivalents in india are worried about pakistan doing them from the behind. you guys keep sitting around worrying about the behinds and when you get some freedom from that maybe we can focus on making some progress helping make pakistan a better place. at the end of the day, we have to do what is best for our country, and as far as i'm concerned cordial relations wiht india are definitely in our national interest. put another way, picking fights and pissing off india is definitely NOT in our national interest!

No the doing thing was just for you.
I know it is in our interest to have better relations with, we all know that. But this does not mean bending over for them. What's wrong is wrong. Why should Pakistan have to depend on anyone for that matter? We should stand on our own feet. Fix the problems at hand and build a stronger nation. We can't even fix the load shading issue let alone anything else.
In my opinion, we have to be strong as a nation. Fix the problems within and have the balls to speak for your nation and it's people.

As long as we keep looking at others for help and mercy we are going no where fast. Like I said "I don't want Pakistan to start anything with India but have enough balls to give it to em when they go after us.

This is my opinion and no matter what anyone here says it's not going to matter much, so preach all you want and believe what you want.
As far as doing what's best for Pakistan " ya our government is doing it rite"?

It's Time · #13 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by -hassan-

What have you achieved in more than 60 years by fighting with India? You have only lost.

Our problem is not INDIA, it's our leaders. We fought two wars and that too long a go.

cyborg909 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick86

what did we expect? after zardaris statement its not like india would have said....'here's kashmir, on a plate'....

mind you, we did conclude the simla agreement so as to not broach the kashmir issue on international forums....we dont need to worry about aman ki asha or no aman ki asha, we have lots of problems, we cant afford to have another antagonistic showdown with india....to no end. its just not smart.

Simla Agreement: Kashmir: Legal Documents

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1 - (i) That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries;

4 - (ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this Line.

Since u guys love simla agreement so much pray tell me where it says

a) Pak can't raise the issue anywhere else.
b) how does India's stand of kashmir being integral part of India reconcile with Simla Agreement.

It takes two to tango, no one is seeking any confrontation with India, despite all the hue and cry so far mumabi attacks been linked to ex-dea agent and indians themselves, all evidence of state of pak involvement or ISI have been shown to be indian crap.

What kinda stupid argument is this that Pak can't even mention kashmir, the root cause of problem between two countries and if she does then she is starting trouble, weaker countries then pak knowing fully well they have no hope for retaining thier lands have kept the legal right to call them thiers yet pakistan is to admit its part of india cuz oh MY GOD they have better economy? Gibraltar dispute between UK and Argentina, Argentina still maintains its thiers.

No one freaking asking to start a war but this "thalley laging" is not the way. BTW what has that policy achieved since we been folllowing that from Musharraf time?

Fiza_fairy · #15 (**permalink**) 10-01-2012, 08:21 PM

good