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Lahore Railway Station Blast.

Two killed, 27 injured in blast at Lahore Railway Station
Agencies | DAWN.COM | 33 mins ago

LAHORE: Two people were killed and at least 27 others were injured in a bomb blast at the Lahore Railway Station on Tuesday.

The bomb, weighing at least five kilograms, was planted in the waiting lounge of the Business Express located between platforms one and two, CCPO Lahore Aslam Tareen told reporters at the railway station.

“A porter and a police official are among the dead,” Tareen said, adding that the explosive material used in the bomb weighed at least five kilograms.

Tareen said he was satisfied with the security measures in place at the station and said the police were trying to investigate how the bag managed to get through despite so many scanners.

“We have shifted all those injured in the blast to Ganga Ram, Mayo and Services hospitals,” Rescue 1122 officials informed DawnNews.

Agencies add: Rescue official Kiramat Ali described it as a “huge blast” and said 25 wounded had been taken to hospital.

Five of the wounded are in a critical condition in hospital, a health official told Reuters.

An AFP photographer at the scene said the blast took place near the lounge for the luxury Business Express train to Karachi, a service launched two months ago offering first-class travel between Pakistan’s two biggest cities.

Senior police officer Ali Ahmad Malik told AFP the bomb was left in a bag and that the Business Express train had left the station and was not the target.

The waiting room was littered with glass and upended furniture, with its windows blown in by the force of the explosion.

Two killed, 27 injured in blast at Lahore Railway Station | DAWN.COM

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Now there could be a new suspect as well. The BLA. Hapened in Lahore, there involvement is very possible.
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Now there could be a new suspect as well. The BLA. Hapened in Lahore, there involvement is very possible.
Just saw this in the news a new group Lashkar e Balochistan claiming responsibility.
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Just saw this in the news a new group Lashkar e Balochistan claiming responsibility.
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Now it's easier to make a case against this BLA. This is straight up terrorism, and no intl. law supports it. If this is really true then now Army has the license to go full fledged and mutilate them.
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Now it's easier to make a case against this BLA. This is straight up terrorism, and no intl. law supports it. If this is really true then now Army has the license to go full fledged and mutilate them.
we have been trying to 'mutilate' them for the past 40 years...this lashkar-e-balochistan entity seems to be a new player though....dunno if it has BLA support...
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we have been trying to 'mutilate' them for the past 40 years...this lashkar-e-balochistan entity seems to be a new player though....dunno if it has BLA support...
SO I can say about LTTE insurgency in SL too. You can't commit act of terrorism. That gives ground to wipe them off. Before this day, the only option I was favoring was dialogue and bringing them on table...but after today's incidence and if their involvement is proven, it will give every right to do full fledged operation against them. They will hardly get any sympathy votes from any quarters after this.
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we have been trying to 'mutilate' them for the past 40 years...this lashkar-e-balochistan entity seems to be a new player though....dunno if it has BLA support...
dude if we been mutilitating them for last 40 yrs they would ahve been wiped off the face of the earth. Thats the problem we are not dealing it like insurgency and terrorism as SL did. BLA itself is a terrorist organization how many innocent ppl they have killed? Not to mention the infrastructure damage. We talk abt Muslims extremists making life hard for non-muslims, how many hindus are forced to leave baluchistan.
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At the end of the day these new groups will keep popping up you can crush BLA but then Lashkar e Balochistan will pop up. There's an old saying kisi ke ghar pe pathar pheko tu phool ki tawakko nahi karna. People of Pakistan distanced themselves from Balochistan thinking that the fight is in Balochistan and has little relevance to them. Like it or not the army and intelligence agencies have committed mass murder and now the fight is at their doorstep and has gone beyond Balochistan. You cannot fight fire with fire you need to sit down and negotiate at the end of the day that is the only way things will be resolved. The first operation in Balochistan occurred when Baloch demanded their right to self governance while remaining under the umbrella of Pakistan. We replied to their demand with an army operation and 40 years later here we are now they no longer want to remain in Pakistan. People blame the feudal lords of Balochistan for the underdevelopment of the province but then who can explain why their is unrest in Makran and why people there are living in tatters even though Makran has never had feudal lords. You cannot deal with this like Srilanka because the tamils in Srilanka were immigrants to a nation which had always existed and was not a man made entity. The tamils wanted to break a nation whose existence was prehistoric. Balochistan was always an independant entity and did not join Pakistan in 1947. Instead of being integrated into Pakistani society it was always treated like a step child even though its population was much less than other provinces and would have been easier to provide basic necessities for. They have been governed by the army for the last 40 years and people there are living in extreme poverty second to none in Pakistan. Face it had Pakistan treated Balochistan in an ideal manner the Baloch population would have put an end to groups like BLA themselves instead of welcoming them with flowers.
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At the end of the day these new groups will keep popping up you can crush BLA but then Lashkar e Balochistan will pop up. There's an old saying kisi ke ghar pe pathar pheko tu phool ki tawakko nahi karna. People of Pakistan distanced themselves from Balochistan thinking that the fight is in Balochistan and has little relevance to them. Like it or not the army and intelligence agencies have committed mass murder and now the fight is at their doorstep and has gone beyond Balochistan. You cannot fight fire with fire you need to sit down and negotiate at the end of the day that is the only way things will be resolved. The first operation in Balochistan occurred when Baloch demanded their right to self governance while remaining under the umbrella of Pakistan. We replied to their demand with an army operation and 40 years later here we are now they no longer want to remain in Pakistan. People blame the feudal lords of Balochistan for the underdevelopment of the province but then who can explain why their is unrest in Makran and why people there are living in tatters even though Makran has never had feudal lords. You cannot deal with this like Srilanka because the tamils in Srilanka were immigrants to a nation which had always existed and was not a man made entity. The tamils wanted to break a nation whose existence was prehistoric. Balochistan was always an independant entity and did not join Pakistan in 1947. Instead of being integrated into Pakistani society it was always treated like a step child even though its population was much less than other provinces and would have been easier to provide basic necessities for. They have been governed by the army for the last 40 years and people there are living in extreme poverty second to none in Pakistan. Face it had Pakistan treated Balochistan in an ideal manner the Baloch population would have put an end to groups like BLA themselves instead of welcoming them with flowers.
Yeah, I acknowledge whatever happened with them was unjust and atrocious. Perhaps unworthy of claiming them as Pakistanis if we treated them with such disrespect since independence.

But there is no tolerance for terrorism. No book of law, no international courts defend it. Hence they need to be dealt accordingly. It's their choice if they wanna fight it this way. India doesn't recognize Kashmiris and Naksals struggle for liberation and commit killings there, is that a different case too? Iraq is crushing rebels in Kurdistan, what's the difference?

Bottom line: There is no negotiation against terrorists.
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Yeah, I acknowledge whatever happened with them was unjust and atrocious. Perhaps unworthy of claiming them as Pakistanis if we treated them with such disrespect since independence.

But there is no tolerance for terrorism. No book of law, no international courts defend it. Hence they need to be dealt accordingly. It's their choice if they wanna fight it this way. India doesn't recognize Kashmiris and Naksals struggle for liberation and commit killings there, is that a different case too? Iraq is crushing rebels in Kurdistan, what's the difference?

Bottom line: There is no negotiation against terrorists.
I agree with you to an extent but I believe terrorism goes both ways. Terrorism is the act of inflicting terror onto another party. What our army and intelligence agencies have done is no less than terrorism where boys have been kidnapped tortured and killed and "Pakistan Zindabad" was etched into their flesh and their bodies were thrown from helicopters. My point is that if our army and intelligence agencies don't stop what they are doing there will come a point when organizations such as BLA will win the hearts and minds of the majority of the baloch population. If god forbids that is to occur, it will be the day Pakistan loses Balochistan. Once rebels win the hearts and minds of the masses situations such as those in Bangladesh, Sudan, East Timor occur.

You have given the example of Kashmir where its important to note that the rebels of Kashmir were basically defeated by the masses and not the Indian army. India kept a heavy presence of force inside Kashmir and it was because of this that the masses backed the rebels since no one enjoys suppression. Eventually India understood and began a self cleansing mission by economic reforms and huge education incentives for the Kashmiris. The masses in Kashmir took that positively and began rejecting the rebels. Now the general attitude towards India has changed among Kashmiris. Same goes for places like Chechnya where billions were pumped by Russia in order to push the masses away from rebel groups.

The bottom line is that its a game of hearts and minds. If Pakistan can right its wrongs by providing the Baloch with basic necessities such as hospitals, education and jobs it will be the Baloch masses who will defeat the BLA. The more force that is used the more we will push them towards rebel groups. There was a positive step recently when the Punjab University has offered seats to Baloch students.
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I agree with you to an extent but I believe terrorism goes both ways. Terrorism is the act of inflicting terror onto another party. What our army and intelligence agencies have done is no less than terrorism where boys have been kidnapped tortured and killed and "Pakistan Zindabad" was etched into their flesh and their bodies were thrown from helicopters. My point is that if our army and intelligence agencies don't stop what they are doing there will come a point when organizations such as BLA will win the hearts and minds of the majority of the baloch population. If god forbids that is to occur, it will be the day Pakistan loses Balochistan. Once rebels win the hearts and minds of the masses situations such as those in Bangladesh, Sudan, East Timor occur.

You have given the example of Kashmir where its important to note that the rebels of Kashmir were basically defeated by the masses and not the Indian army. India kept a heavy presence of force inside Kashmir and it was because of this that the masses backed the rebels since no one enjoys suppression. Eventually India understood and began a self cleansing mission by economic reforms and huge education incentives for the Kashmiris. The masses in Kashmir took that positively and began rejecting the rebels. Now the general attitude towards India has changed among Kashmiris. Same goes for places like Chechnya where billions were pumped by Russia in order to push the masses away from rebel groups.

The bottom line is that its a game of hearts and minds. If Pakistan can right its wrongs by providing the Baloch with basic necessities such as hospitals, education and jobs it will be the Baloch masses who will defeat the BLA. The more force that is used the more we will push them towards rebel groups. There was a positive step recently when the Punjab University has offered seats to Baloch students.
Yeah, but isn't that what Musharraf initiated. Build Hospitals, reformed the education system and brought development package...and in return Akbar Bugti took arms??
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Yeah, but isn't that what Musharraf initiated. Build Hospitals, reformed the education system and brought development package...and in return Akbar Bugti took arms??
Musharraf's development was only done in Gwadar where the development was made possible by foreign investment due to the presence of the port. The development included the development of the port, some infrastructure in Gwadar, and the Makran Coastal Highway which was made for land transport of containers from the port. None of this development was done for the betterment of Balochistan or the Baloch people it was only done due to personal interest of gaining benefits from the port. I would love to see Musharraf's or any one else's development projects in Kharan, Khuzdar, Mastung or any other areas. Okay people can say that these areas I have named all have tribal system with feudal lords governing and that they prevented development but Makran had no feudal lords and there was not one bit of development there under Musharraf.

Akbar Bugti was a criminal who was responsible for the first army operation in Balochistan under Bhutto. He realized that he was used by the intelligence agencies and was then spit out. He did not take up arms due to the vast development done by Musharraf but rather he did it in his animosity towards the intelligence agencies with the Dr. Shazia Khalid rape case as his excuse. The feudal lords are a big issue in Balochistan but the problem is that the agencies and governments justify their existence which further legitimizes them in the eyes of the masses, uses them and then spits them out and then these people end up becoming rebels much like Akbar Bugti or in the present scenario Akhtar Mengal who was dealt with in the exact same way as Bugti. While these feudals are with the government they make huge sums of money and once they are used and spit out then they have a rude awakening and decide to fight for the masses.

The agencies and government need to get over these feudal lords and they need to do the development themselves. Today we see Zulfiqar Magsi and Aslam Raisani with the government but depending on their treatment by the government and agencies who knows tomorrow they might be standing with the rebels too.
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