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Let us become proudly bayghairat

Let us become — proudly — bayghairat
By Pervez Hoodbhoy
Published: May 6, 2012


Pakistan’s current and aspiring political leaders can rarely give a public speech these days without invoking ghairat (honour) in some shape or form. Rather than present plans for reducing unemployment or providing electricity, they talk about shame and honour. The ultimate insult ‘bayghairat’ (without honour) is sometimes hurled onto an opponent. Adrenalin levels shoot even higher when they speak of America and “breaking the chains of slavery”. The more morally and intellectually bankrupt a leader, the louder he thunders about qaumi ghairat (national honour).

This time-tested formula has worked wherever a people have been dispirited and dejected. For example, Hitler’s meteoric rise to power, culminating in the most destructive war of history, came from appealing to the collective ghairat of the German nation and to the alleged cowardice and corruption of its rulers.

Hitler’s famous Munich beer hall speeches were followed up in Mein Kampf: “A nation without honour will sooner or later lose its freedom and independence… a generation of poltroons is not entitled to freedom. He who would be a slave cannot have honour.” Translated into Urdu, these lines are exactly what one hears on TV these days from men like Imran Khan and Hamid Gul.

The real implication of ghairat hit me for the first time some twenty years ago. A group of seven senior military officers, then studying operational matters at the National Defence College, had come to meet me at the physics department of Quaid-i-Azam University. Nuclear weapons were new at that time and, quite sensibly, they were keen to learn technical details from every available source. Although Pakistan did not officially acknowledge possessing such weapons then, the process of inducting them into the forces had already begun.

We had a good discussion on everything from blast radii and firestorms to electronic locks and PALS (Permissive Action Links). The officers took copious notes and appeared satisfied. As they prepared to leave I asked what circumstances, in their opinion,would warrant the use of nuclear weapons by Pakistan.

After some reflection one officer spoke up: “Professor,” he assured me, “they shall be used only defensively if at all, and only if the Pakistan Army faces defeat. We cannot allow ourselves to be dishonoured.” Around the table, heads nodded in agreement. Significantly, the calculus of destruction — that cities would be obliterated on both sides — was not what mattered. Ghairat did.

The same question put to Indian military officers would probably elicit the same answer. Historically, honour has driven armies to fight battles. Even as the officer spoke, my thoughts wandered to The Charge of the Light Brigade. During the Crimean War of 1854, wave after wave of honour-charged British soldiers rode their horses into the mouths of Russian guns which, of course, promptly mowed them down. Tennyson later immortalised the slain men in his famous poem: “All the world wonder’d. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade.”

The honour-driven Japanese samurai were even more extreme. As agents for various lords, shoguns, and the Emperor, their duties involved keeping peasants in line as well as fighting wars. Honest and dedicated, they were a model for ordinary Japanese. When a samurai lost honour, he could save his dignity only through hara-kiri (cutting open his belly).The last days of World War II turned samurais into suicide bombers who (unsuccessfully) flew planes into US aircraft carriers. Their actions ultimately brought the atom bomb to Japan.

A curse upon honour! It brings to a nation nought but militarisation, conquest, conflict, and the pain of war. On the other hand, where reason has defeated honour, the results have been spectacular. For example, in the ashes of WW II lay two thoroughly defeated and dishonoured nations: Germany and Japan. Had they remained stubbornly defiant, they would still be squatting there today. But, overcoming pride and honour, the vanquished accepted defeat and made peace with the victors. Today they are among the most advanced of nations, and major aid donors to Pakistan.

Vietnam is another amazing example. After 20 bitter years of war it won but was devastated. American B-52s had flattened its cities, while napalm and Agent Orange had devastated its villages and jungles. Yet, tossing aside honour and vengeance, Vietnam today reaches out to its former tormentors and invites their companies and investment. It is a country with a future.


Compare the bayghairat Vietnamese to Afghanistan’s ghairat-obsessed people. Proud and unconquerable, they had earlier fought off the British and the Soviets; soon the Americans will too be gone. But, post-2014, what awaits them? Only more blood and sorrow, and yet another civil war.

Anthropologists tell us that honour is a concept that originated in herding societies because a tribal man’s animals and women were protected from other tribesmen by a code of honour. But then, as tribes amalgamated and merged into the larger stream of civilisation, differing notions of honour led to strife. Traditional societies of the present era, in which honour plays a larger role, are relatively more violent than modern ones. The ease with which men kill their wives and daughters for sexual misconduct is but one example; there are scores of others.

Still, there are some in the West (see Sacred tribal values by J Gold & C Kammen, 1998), as well as here in Pakistan, who call for a return to tribal values. Perhaps one must hear them sympathetically because not all of what they say is bad. They hark back to the days when life was simple, good could easily be separated from bad, there was a spirit of community, and science had not made us into “One Dimensional Man” (in the words of the German philosopher Herbert Marcuse). They are nostalgic about what the world looked like centuries ago, all without having seen it or being aware of the downsides. Alas, they imagine false utopias.

A culture of honour is fine for the herders of goats and camels, or those who live in unpoliceable mountainous areas. But a culture of honour is disastrous for us, a nuclear-armed nation of 180 million people who want jobs, electricity, and the fruits of modernity.So, to hell with the fakery of meaningless honour! Instead, let us create a culture of law and reason, of compassion and tolerance. Let us become — proudly — bayghairat.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 7th, 2012.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/374879/l...y--bayghairat/
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Theoratucally I may agree with to some extent but practically this is the mindset of a "kunvayn Ka maindak".
Step out of the all rosy lala land and find out that we r living in a world that has become a jungle. The major players are fighting with the intention of "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is also mine". These players are in the game of taking control of all the resources on earth regardless of the country, govt or geographical location.
There is nothing fair out there anymore and on the other hand everything is fair for these major players.
We may be hardly clinging with the true message of our Faith and our deen that teaches the Well fare and justice FOR ALL HUMANITY. But things are not looked upon like this by others. These are fierce wolves around you and you talk about disarming ourselves with the nuclear weapons? It's like lemme smile and kiss the cobra and in return he won't bit me.

Don't believe me? Look back and see how many times Pakistan has extended the offer of signing CTBT (becoming bayghairut) if India signs it as well? Could this be any more fairer? And then see how every and each time India has refused it.

There is a famous saying, if u want peace then be prepared for war.
The nukes are the deterrents, but yes the politicians and and a large pool of nation has become bayghairut but thats a different kind of bayghairut. That bayghairuti is deeply imbedded with corruption.
We still have had electricity, water and controlled inflammation together with nukes not long ago. How comes things have gone drastic. Its just that we have become idiots to believe that disarming ourselves with nukes will bring prosperity to the country and will make India our best friend.

The prob is not nukes, the problem is numb nutt voting majority of Pakistan that are the actual bayghairuts.
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Lifebouy saboon forgot who is waging a war , pakistan or USA ? And on whom the war is being waged. This tea-bag wants us to completely surrender ?? After all isnt that what zaradari has been doing ?? What does this idiot wants more ??? Sell Pakistan ?
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^Nope....its just that the talk about ghairat becomes a little hollow after 70 odd years of embarrassment after embarrassment after embarrassment.....maybe its time to decide to be actually ghairatmand and save our country.......by integrating with the world.
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Lifebouy saboon forgot who is waging a war , pakistan or USA ? And on whom the war is being waged. This tea-bag wants us to completely surrender ?? After all isnt that what zaradari has been doing ?? What does this idiot wants more ??? Sell Pakistan ?

Kisi ko lifebuoy kehne se us ka kuch nahi bigray ga, na mulk ka kuch sudhray ga....na hi aap koi scholar ya intellect sabit ho jao ge.

He's talking sense.

Bohut Ghairatmand ho to un se jaa kay pocho jo Parliament or SC ke samnay khud ko aag laga rahay hain, apnay bachay bech rahay hain, Kidneys bech rahay hain, jin ke bachay hospitals main ganday paani aur dengi se mar rahay hain.....jaakay parhaoo unhay 'Ghairat ki pattiyaan' jinko aapki 'ghairat ki bhabkiyaan' na izzat se jenay deti hai na marnay deti hai.

No need to look outside Pakistan. The issues are within Pakistan. Priority should be given to solve the internal matters instead of getting paranoid about outsiders. It's very easy to jump to conclusion, and it's very difficult to face the reality.
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A culture of honour is fine for the herders of goats and camels, or those who live in unpoliceable mountainous areas. But a culture of honour is disastrous for us, a nuclear-armed nation of 180 million people who want jobs, electricity, and the fruits of modernity.So, to hell with the fakery of meaningless honour! Instead, let us create a culture of law and reason, of compassion and tolerance. Let us become proudly bayghairat.
i can only pray and hope that i live to see this day dawn upon pakistan
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^just because his agenda doesnt fit the right wing jamaati conception of 'ghairat'.....which for us lies either between the legs of a woman....or the length of her clothes....or the number and type of gods someone living in our country happens to believe in...
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^Nope....its just that the talk about ghairat becomes a little hollow after 70 odd years of embarrassment after embarrassment after embarrassment.....maybe its time to decide to be actually ghairatmand and save our country.......by integrating with the world.
I guess it is just me and you who understand the author's message .
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^just because his agenda doesnt fit the right wing jamaati conception of 'ghairat'.....which for us lies either between the legs of a woman....or the length of her clothes....or the number and type of gods someone living in our country happens to believe in...
First of all there is a huge difference of understanding. And even gruesome is the fact that hardly anyone wants to come to realization. Instead people are always ready to derive wrong conclusion and get overtly defensive about it.

Ghairat Brigade ne kitney gharoon main Rooti pohnchai hai, please koi count mujhay bhi bataiy
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Ghairat Brigade ne kitney gharoon main Rooti pohnchai hai, please koi count mujhay bhi bataiy
hahha....chalo koi nai....anti-vulgarity day to mana laitay hain na....electricity, unemployment, and lack of roti is happening to us because we aren't being good muslims not praying enough
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hahha....chalo koi nai....anti-vulgarity day to mana laitay hain na....electricity, unemployment, and lack of roti is happening to us because we aren't being good muslims not praying enough
No I think that's a non-issue....a total non-issue!!

why? because Eritrea, Mozambique, Rwanda and Zimbabwe has same issues. "WE ARE NO DIFFERENT"

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Theoratucally I may agree with to some extent but practically this is the mindset of a "kunvayn Ka maindak".
Step out of the all rosy lala land and find out that we r living in a world that has become a jungle. The major players are fighting with the intention of "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is also mine". These players are in the game of taking control of all the resources on earth regardless of the country, govt or geographical location.
There is nothing fair out there anymore and on the other hand everything is fair for these major players.
We may be hardly clinging with the true message of our Faith and our deen that teaches the Well fare and justice FOR ALL HUMANITY. But things are not looked upon like this by others. These are fierce wolves around you and you talk about disarming ourselves with the nuclear weapons? It's like lemme smile and kiss the cobra and in return he won't bit me.

Don't believe me? Look back and see how many times Pakistan has extended the offer of signing CTBT (becoming bayghairut) if India signs it as well? Could this be any more fairer? And then see how every and each time India has refused it.

There is a famous saying, if u want peace then be prepared for war.
The nukes are the deterrents, but yes the politicians and and a large pool of nation has become bayghairut but thats a different kind of bayghairut. That bayghairuti is deeply imbedded with corruption.
We still have had electricity, water and controlled inflammation together with nukes not long ago. How comes things have gone drastic. Its just that we have become idiots to believe that disarming ourselves with nukes will bring prosperity to the country and will make India our best friend.

The prob is not nukes, the problem is numb nutt voting majority of Pakistan that are the actual bayghairuts.
Why are we adamant on taking it as he's asking to drop the nuc weapons. I don't think that is where he's pointing.
I believe that he's pointing on focusing on issues that needs our attention instead of in the self created paranoia. There are people dying, Pakistan is burning at every corner and the most we care about is Self Created jingo of Ghairat.
No one is literally meant to become beghairat but also how many people are finding reprieve from their daily problems in this so called 'imposed' ghairat?

I agree the problem is essentially with the people. And intellects like Hoodbhoy are pointing to that problem. The be-his people are not going to come to realization just by themselves. A concerted effort is required which starts with realizing where the actual problem is.

I have read him before and there is not an iota of doubt about his patriotism. No matter what his believes are, he is a true patriot. You have your opinion and that's fine. But I am looking at the article and it's message differently.
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