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Mecca for the rich: Islam's holiest site 'turning into Vegas'

Mecca for the rich: Islam's holiest site
'turning into Vegas'
Historic and culturally important landmarks are being destroyed to make way for luxury hotels
and malls
, reports Jerome Taylor
Jerome Taylor

Saturday, 24 September 2011

Behind closed doors – in places where the religious police cannot listen in – residents of
Mecca are beginning to refer to their city as Las Vegas, and the moniker is not a compliment.

Over the past 10 years the holiest site in Islam has undergone a huge transformation, one
that has divided opinion among Muslims all over the world.
Once a dusty desert town struggling to cope with the ever-increasing number of pilgrims
arriving for the annual Hajj, the city now soars above its surroundings with a glittering array
of skyscrapers, shopping malls and luxury hotels.
To the al-Saud monarchy, Mecca is their vision of the future – a steel and concrete
metropolis built on the proceeds of enormous oil wealth that showcases their national pride.
Yet growing numbers of citizens, particularly those living in the two holy cities of Mecca and
Medina, have looked on aghast as the nation's archaeological heritage is trampled under a
construction mania backed by hardline clerics who preach against the preservation of their
own heritage. Mecca, once a place where the Prophet Mohamed insisted all Muslims would be
equal, has become a playground for the rich, critics say, where naked capitalism has usurped
spirituality as the city's raison d'être.
Few are willing to discuss their fears openly because of the risks associated with criticising
official policy in the authoritarian kingdom. And, with the exceptions of Turkey and Iran,
fellow Muslim nations have largely held their tongues for fear of of a diplomatic fallout and
restrictions on their citizens' pilgrimage visas. Western archaeologists are silent out of fear
that the few sites they are allowed access to will be closed to them.
But a number of prominent Saudi archaeologists and historians are speaking up in the belief
that the opportunity to save Saudi Arabia's remaining historical sites is closing fast.
"No one has the balls to stand up and condemn this cultural vandalism," says Dr Irfan al-Alawi
who, as executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, has fought in vain to
protect his country's historical sites. "We have already lost 400-500 sites. I just hope it's not
too late to turn things around."
Sami Angawi, a renowned Saudi expert on the region's Islamic architecture, is equally
concerned. "This is an absolute contradiction to the nature of Mecca and the sacredness of
the house of God," he told the Reuters news agency earlier this year. "Both [Mecca and
Medina] are historically almost finished. You do not find anything except skyscrapers.
Dr Alawi's most pressing concern is the planned £690m expansion of the Grand Mosque, the
most sacred site in Islam which contains the Kaaba – the black stone cube built by Ibrahim
(Abraham) that Muslims face when they pray.
Construction officially began earlier this month with the country's Justice Minister, Mohammed
al-Eissa, exclaiming that the project would respect "the sacredness and glory of the location,
which calls for the highest care and attention of the servants or Islam and Muslims".
The 400,000 square metre development is being built to accommodate an extra 1.2 million
pilgrims each year and will turn the Grand Mosque into the largest religious structure in the
world. But the Islamic Heritage Foundation has compiled a list of key historical sites that they
believe are now at risk from the ongoing development of Mecca, including the old Ottoman
and Abbasi sections of the Grand Mosque, the house where the Prophet Mohamed was born
and the house where his paternal uncle Hamza grew up.
There is little argument that Mecca and Medina desperately need infrastructure development.
Twelve million pilgrims visit the cities every year with the numbers expected to increase to 17
million by 2025.
But critics fear that the desire to expand the pilgrimage sites has allowed the authorities to
ride roughshod over the area's cultural heritage. The Washington-based Gulf Institute
estimates that 95 per cent of Mecca's millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the
past two decades alone.
The destruction has been aided by Wahabism, the austere interpretation of Islam that has
served as the kingdom's official religion ever since the al-Sauds rose to power across the
Arabian Peninsula in the 19th century.
In the eyes of Wahabis, historical sites and shrines encourage "shirq" – the sin of idolatry or
polytheism – and should be destroyed. When the al-Saud tribes swept through Mecca in the
1920s, the first thing they did was lay waste to cemeteries holding many of Islam's important
figures. They have been destroying the country's heritage ever since. Of the three sites the
Saudis have allowed the UN to designate World Heritage Sites, none are related to Islam.
Those circling the Kaaba only need to look skywards to see the latest example of the Saudi
monarchy's insatiable appetite for architectural bling. At 1,972ft, the Royal Mecca Clock
Tower, opened earlier this year, soars over the surrounding Grand Mosque, part of an
enormous development of skyscrapers that will house five-star hotels for the minority of
pilgrims rich enough to afford them.
To build the skyscraper city, the authorities dynamited an entire mountain and the Ottoman
era Ajyad Fortress that lay on top of it. At the other end of the Grand Mosque complex, the
house of the Prophet's first wife Khadijah has been turned into a toilet block. The fate of the
house he was born in is uncertain. Also planned for demolition are the Grand Mosque's
Ottoman columns which dare to contain the names of the Prophet's companions, something
hardline Wahabis detest.
For ordinary Meccans living in the mainly Ottoman-era town houses that make up much of
what remains of the old city, development often means the loss of their family home.
Non-Muslims cannot visit Mecca and Medina, but The Independent was able to interview a
number of citizens who expressed discontent over the way their town was changing. One
young woman whose father recently had his house bulldozed described how her family was
still waiting for compensation. "There was very little warning; they just came and told him
that the house had to be bulldozed," she said.
Another Meccan added: "If a prince of a member of the royal family wants to extend his
palace he just does it. No one talks about it in public though. There's such a climate of fear."
Dr Alawi hopes the international community will finally begin to wake up to what is happening
in the cradle of Islam. "We would never allow someone to destroy the Pyramids, so why are
we letting Islam's history disappear?"7/25/12 Mecca for the rich: Islam's holiest site 'turning into Vegas'

Under Threat

Bayt al-Mawlid

When the Wahabis took Mecca in the 1920s they destroyed the dome on top of the house
where the Prophet Mohammed was born. It was thenused as a cattle market before being
turned into a library after a campaign by Meccans. There are concerns that the expansion
of the Grand Mosque will destroy it once more. The site has never been excavated by
archaeologists.

Ottoman and Abasi columns of the Grand Mosque
Slated for demolition as part of the Grand Mosque expansion, these intricately carved
columns date back to the 17th century and are the oldest surviving sections of Islam's
holiest site. Much to the chagrin of Wahabis, they are inscribed with the names of the
Prophet's companions. Ottomon Mecca is now rapidly disappearing

Al-Masjid al-Nawabi
For many years, hardline Wahabi clerics have had their sites set on the 15th century green
dome that rests above the tomb holding the Prophet, Abu Bakr and Umar in Medina. The
mosque is regarded as the second holiest site in Islam. Wahabis, however, believe marked
graves are idolatrous. A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs,
endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, stated that "the green
dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid"
.

Jabal al-Nour
A mountain outside Mecca where Mohammed received his first Koranic revelations. The
Prophet used to spend long spells in a cave called Hira. The cave is particularly popular
among South Asian pilgrims who have carved steps up to its entrance and adorned the walls
with graffiti. Religious hardliners are keen to dissuade pilgrims from congregating there and
have mooted the idea of removing the steps and even destroying the mountain altogether.

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Quite an old article, has some valid points but some retarded ones as well!
They have to develop makkah in any case , consdiering the millions and millions of people coming in every Ramadan! they have to by all means expand it and that means using more technology and stuf!

BUT I AM TOTALLY AGAINST that huge ass tower right beside the mosque! They should have built it far behind, but still they had good purpose behind it. they wanted MAKKAH STANDARD time to be followed everywhere, but still wrong!
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1.) sallu please post links with the articles so that they can have a proper source. just edit your post and provide that please.

2.) i was in makkah in may for umrah, and it was the first time i'd gone for umrah in seven or eight years. i was taken aback by all the modernization that had taken place. the grand clock tower is a breathtaking sight, but it does feel excessive. however it does serve a purpose beyond providing 5-star hotels for people that can afford it. it is right next to al-haram, so tons of people use it for the food court and also to buy tasbees, qurans, dates, etc. what is more offensive is the giant palace that the royal family has built that goes all around the mosque. that is indeed disgusting, no reason for something like that to overshadow the sanctity of the place.

also, the commericalization is really only occuring in close proximity to haram. if you drive 10 minutes outside of the zone surrounding the mosque, it goes back to being empty desert.
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I dont think anyone is against of makkah's development. It is more about demolition of historical locations.

Why build five star hotels for the rich people when we are going to Allah's house where everyone is equal, no one is rich or poor. It is a religious pilgrimage not a vacation place.
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Is the objection is abt commercial activity? If it is then its not valid cuz it permissable in Quran to do trade while on pilgrim to Mecca.
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Is the objection is abt commercial activity? If it is then its not valid cuz it permissable in Quran to do trade while on pilgrim to Mecca.
what does quran says about demolishing graveyard of prophet's daughter and sahabas?
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what that has to do with topic in discussion? If u hate islam so much why ur commenting on issues related to islam and muslims? Keep ur hatred to urself
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what that has to do with topic in discussion? If u hate islam so much why ur commenting on issues related to islam and muslims? Keep ur hatred to urself
read the article you idiot. it has to do with the topic in this discussion. if you can't answer it just go back to your prayers.
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read the article you idiot. it has to do with the topic in this discussion. if you can't answer it just go back to your prayers.

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kahe aag ko apna qibla to kafir
kawakib main maney karishma to kafir
magar mominoo par hain kushada yeh rahain
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nabi (saw) ko jo chahain khuda kar dikhain
imamooN ko rutba nabi se barhain
MazarooN pay din raat nazranaiN charhain
shaheedoon se ja ja ke mangain duain
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kare ghair jo but ki pooja to kafir
jo theraheye beta khuda ka to kafir
kahe aag ko apna qibla to kafir
kawakib main maney karishma to kafir
magar mominoo par hain kushada yeh rahain
paristish karain shauq se jiski chahain
nabi (saw) ko jo chahain khuda kar dikhain
imamooN ko rutba nabi se barhain
MazarooN pay din raat nazranaiN charhain
shaheedoon se ja ja ke mangain duain
Na tauheed main kuch khalal is se aaey
na islam bigre na imaan jae

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Sufi ki tareeqat main faqat masti-e-ahwaal Mullah ki shariat main faqat masti-e-guftaar
Wo mard-e-mujahid nazar aata nahin mujh ko
Ho jis kay rag-o-pey main faqat masti-e-kirdaar
Iqbal....

in kameenon nai hajj ko bhi KFC ka chicken bucket package bana diya hai...udher namaz parho idher kfc, mcdonalds thoonsoo....kahan ki aakhirat kahan ki aaqibat....
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kare ghair jo but ki pooja to kafir
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Na tauheed main kuch khalal is se aaey
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jab guftugoo bait baazi ki jaanib chal nikli hai to aap kai liye jawab


Sufi ki tareeqat main faqat masti-e-ahwaal Mullah ki shariat main faqat masti-e-guftaar
Wo mard-e-mujahid nazar aata nahin mujh ko
Ho jis kay rag-o-pey main faqat masti-e-kirdaar
Iqbal....

in kameenon nai hajj ko bhi KFC ka chicken bucket package bana diya hai...udher namaz parho idher kfc, mcdonalds thoonsoo....kahan ki aakhirat kahan ki aaqibat....
To tumhain KFC aur Mcdonald pay aitraz kyun hai bhayya LOL ?

I mean may be im not getting it so plz help me here, every yr we are getting more pilgrims to Mecca KSA spending thier own money to expand services and make life easy for pilgrims so what is the issue? Personally the only criticism I have is charging rental fees for pilgrims I believe whole mecca as har'am and thus shouldn't be charged any fees but I can understand gone the days when they use to live in tents and providing hotels and amenties while charging modest fees does make sense But stil I donot understand the objection to development?

BTW Shair accha laikin mussaddas ke jawab main nahi
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To tumhain KFC aur Mcdonald pay aitraz kyun hai bhayya LOL ?

I mean may be im not getting it so plz help me here, every yr we are getting more pilgrims to Mecca KSA spending thier own money to expand services and make life easy for pilgrims so what is the issue? Personally the only criticism I have is charging rental fees for pilgrims I believe whole mecca as har'am and thus shouldn't be charged any fees but I can understand gone the days when they use to live in tents and providing hotels and amenties while charging modest fees does make sense But stil I donot understand the objection to development?

BTW Shair accha laikin mussaddas ke jawab main nahi
dobara parhyay...musaddas kai hi jawab main hai ...but, I am just saying the commercialization of the area....and the wanton destruction of historic sites around the place...in makkah and madina....is completely uncalled for and justified by the convenience of a wahabi doctrine by those who are ruling the home of islam through 'mulookiyat' which is anti-thetical of the teachings of the religion. I just want the development to respect the importance of history....when they are doing their 'development'.
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dobara parhyay...musaddas kai hi jawab main hai ...but, I am just saying the commercialization of the area....and the wanton destruction of historic sites around the place...in makkah and madina....is completely uncalled for and justified by the convenience of a wahabi doctrine by those who are ruling the home of islam through 'mulookiyat' which is anti-thetical of the teachings of the religion. I just want the development to respect the importance of history....when they are doing their 'development'.
Fair enough, historical sites should be preserved I agree with you. but i will disagree that they should be allowed to become place of worships, it has nothing to do with wahabism its islamic law. Clearly defined in Quran and Sunnah,

KSA or others are malookiyaat which should be abolished but no armed insurrection can be done against KSA thats where i differ with Al-qaeda style crap
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Fair enough, historical sites should be preserved I agree with you. but i will disagree that they should be allowed to become place of worships, it has nothing to do with wahabism its islamic law. Clearly defined in Quran and Sunnah,

KSA or others are malookiyaat which should be abolished but no armed insurrection can be done against KSA thats where i differ with Al-qaeda style crap
o bhai sahab...why does it have to be one or the other....saying fateha at a historic figure's shrine is not worship, its just good muslim etiquette...i am more interested in the preservation of history gives you a sense of connection and a window into the past when a great religion and culture was born...
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