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Mohammad Ali Jinnah rebranded


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Nadeem F. Paracha
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A friend of mine, a Shia Muslim, often tells me an intriguing but a very telling little tale.

He is from Jhang in the Punjab province where he, as a school kid, was always a passionate participant of Shia processions.

During one Moharram day (in the late 1980s), a Shia procession he was a part of was attacked by a couple of armed young men belonging to a radical Sunni Muslim outfit.

Nothing surprising, especially in a Pakistan that began to take shape from the early 1980s onwards; and/or when the state under General Ziaul Haq actually encouraged the proliferation of violent Islamist and sectarian organisations as a way to bolster its efforts to whip up a jihadist frenzy against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan.

But my friend and some of his contemporaries were left surprised by the attack. Not because it was carried out by a sectarian outfit but because of the fact that one of the attackers was a young teenaged lad who was actually a contemporary of my friend at school.

The teen was arrested and thrown in one of the city’s lock-ups. When my friend told an empathetic teacher at the school, the teacher too was shocked and decided to visit the young militant.

Reaching the police station the concerned teacher let lose a volley of questions at the boy (in Punjabi): ‘Sohail, what have you done? Why did you attack your friends?’

The young militant was unmoved: ‘What kind of question is that? We all know they (the Shias) are kafir (infidels)!’

Taken aback by the sudden transformation of the young boy, the teacher remarked that the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, too wasn’t a Sunni.

‘What are you saying, sir?’ The young boy shot back. ‘Jinnah wasn’t the founder of Pakistan. Quaid-e-Azam was. And Quaid-e-Azam was Sunni.’

This is a fascinating little tale that is otherwise big on explaining the social and political outcome of the Pakistani state’s long-winded project to construct and impose a rather xenophobic model of faith that could be moulded and easily used to legitimise the hegemony of the religious, political, economic and military elites that make-up the country’s figurative establishment.

The fact that the Pakistani state used Orwellian tactics to twist and turn historical facts to construct a mythical socio-political narrative is now in the open.

Using the media and school textbooks, the state went on a rampage, especially after the loss of the former East Pakistan in 1971. A highly suspicious, xenophobic and aggressive narrative about Pakistan’s ideology, history and society was streamlined that eventually mutated into a warped worldview now found across the society.

One can rightly blame men like Z. A. Bhutto and more specifically, General Zia, for such a state of affairs. But those who came before these two weren’t all that truthful either. This tradition’s earliest roots actually lie in one of the first insistences of Orwellian manipulation of faith and nationalism way back in 1948.

Soon after the creation of Pakistan, Jinnah gave his famous speech to the Constituent Assembly in which he insisted that in Pakistan minorities were free to follow their faiths and that the Pakistani state had nothing to do with religion.

This speech did not go down well with that section of the Muslim League elite that had tasted the power of using religion as a political tool during the Pakistan Movement.

Soon after Jinnah’s speech, an attempt was made by a number of Muslim League leaders to censor the draft of the speech that was to be published in the newspapers.

It was only when the then editor of Dawn, Altaf Hussain, threatened to take the issue directly to Jinnah that the League leaders relented.

No wonder then, soon after Jinnah’s death in 1948, the League’s top leadership at once departed from the secular contents of Jinnah’s speech and, in fact, flipped it on its head by drafting the 1949 Objectives Resolution that in the future became the basis of Bhutto’s populist Islamic experiments and Zia’s Machiavellian Islamist demagoguery.

Re-imagining Jinnah and propagating him as seen from the eyes of the above-mentioned religious and political elite has been a vital tool for the establishment.

Sometimes this dastardly project has been stretched to absurd lengths just so Jinnah’s credentials of being a secular Muslim nationalist can be undermined.

For example, in July 1977 when Zia toppled the Bhutto regime, he almost immediately got down to the business of radically transforming the ideological complexion of Pakistan, changing it from being a ‘democratic Muslim majority state’ into peddling it as a state that was supposedly conceived as a theocratic entity.

Zia and his ideological partners, mainly the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), hit a brick wall when they couldn’t endorse their revisionist narrative with any of the speeches of Jinnah.

They came up with nothing, until one fine day in early 1983 when after still failing to get a worthwhile endorsement from Jinnah for Zia’s ‘Islamic’ narrative, his Ministry of Information enthusiastically announced the sudden ‘discovery’ of Jinnah’s personal diary.

Excited, Zia held a press conference in which he claimed that in the newly discovered ‘personal diary of the founder’, Jinnah had spoken about having a ‘powerful Head of State (read: dictator),’ and ‘the dangers of parliamentary democracy.’ Then he conveniently concluding Jinnah’s views being very close to having an ‘Islamic system of government’.

The Urdu press gave lavish coverage to the event, as the state-owned PTV and Radio Pakistan broadcasted discussions with ‘scholars’ on this breathtaking discovery.

But, alas, the euphoria around this farce was thankfully short-lived. Two of Jinnah’s close associates, Mumtaz Daultana and K. H. Khurshid, rubbished Zia’s claims saying there was never such a diary.After this, a group of senior intellectuals from the Quaid-e-Azam Academy also denied that such a diary ever existed in the Academy’s archives (from where Zia had claimed the diary had emerged).

Strangely once his claims were trashed, not only did Zia never mention anything about the supposed diary ever again, a number of Urdu newspapers that had splashed the drastic discovery went completely quiet as well.

But for the future generations that have produced confused kids like Sohail, Zia’s claims became a documented utterance, whereas Daultana and Khurshid’s refutations slid down becoming nothing more than mere footnotes.

No wonder the young lad in Jhang thought Jinnah and Quaid-e-Azam were actually two separate men.

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editorial by nadeem paracha, and the identity of the author will automatically mean some people will not read it. that's fine. but for the rest of us, please take some time to read this article as it's very interesting and points out what great lengths we have gone to as a nation to change the quaids message. shocking that the same man who created our nation would today risk being lynched if he tried becoming too prominent. we are a nation of contradictions indeed!
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Yes kill the shias (infidels) and let's forget that the founder MA. Jinnah himself was a shia!
I am not saying Pakistan was only freed by MA. Jinnah but I would ask every fanatic of Pakistan: if Jinnah would be alive today would u want to kill him too?
My null hypothesis is YES. They will kill him too. So is the state of mind of these fanatics.
I again emphasize on Jinnah's intended view of Pakistan , namely a secular state!
Hazrate Ali (as) quoted: hakumat eik mushrik ya kaafir key neechay chal sakti hay, magar eik zaalim Kay neechay nahi!
I would prefer being ruled by an atheist if he is taking Pakistan towards prosperity rather than so called Muslims who are either corrupt or extremists.
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Yes kill the shias (infidels) and let's forget that the founder MA. Jinnah himself was a shia!
I am not saying Pakistan was only freed by MA. Jinnah but I would ask every fanatic of Pakistan: if Jinnah would be alive today would u want to kill him too?
My null hypothesis is YES. They will kill him too. So is the state of mind of these fanatics.
I again emphasize on Jinnah's intended view of Pakistan , namely a secular state!
Hazrate Ali (as) quoted: hakumat eik mushrik ya kaafir key neechay chal sakti hay, magar eik zaalim Kay neechay nahi!
I would prefer being ruled by an atheist if he is taking Pakistan towards prosperity rather than so called Muslims who are either corrupt or extremists.

Plz don't twist Hadrath Ali's word he doesn't mean what ur implying. What u prefer is ur bussiness just don't twist someone's word to suit ur purpose.
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Plz don't twist Hadrath Ali's word he doesn't mean what ur implying. What u prefer is ur bussiness just don't twist someone's word to suit ur purpose.
yeah and becoz God has given you the right to be the ultimate judge of what Prophet(PBUH) and khalifas meant so u are always right.

Some people have this habit of constantly telling others that other people are wrong and only they are right. Their definition is right, their thinking is pure and their islam is the true islam. Give a try to analytical thinking and for that you have to open up ur mind and realize that their is islam outside ur version.

People with this mentality will never ever never ever let pakistanis a little space to breathe. Its such a suffocating society, if thats the Islamic republic I would gladly leave that republic for ever.
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yeah and becoz God has given you the right to be the ultimate judge of what Prophet(PBUH) and khalifas meant so u are always right.

Some people have this habit of constantly telling others that other people are wrong and only they are right. Their definition is right, their thinking is pure and their islam is the true islam. Give a try to analytical thinking and for that you have to open up ur mind and realize that their is islam outside ur version.

People with this mentality will never ever never ever let pakistanis a little space to breathe. Its such a suffocating society, if thats the Islamic republic I would gladly leave that republic for ever.
Try getting a brain, since u dun have there is no need to answer ur retardness
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Try getting a brains
Really Einstein!

Try getting a brains. Really should I try getting a brains, a brains right? If after trying I still cant then I become Cyborg909

Like I haven't seen your intellect . Mr. all knowing aka OWNER OF ISLAM.
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Plz don't twist Hadrath Ali's word he doesn't mean what ur implying. What u prefer is ur bussiness just don't twist someone's word to suit ur purpose.
You mind referring to the right quote?
What purpose does it serve if u r a Muslim but are corrupt and brutal?
I completely fail to fathom such an attitude!
Anyhow please don't teach me religion I am mashallah well aware of Islam! I participate in religious confrontations with Jews and Christians here.....
Its people like you who think others are wajib-ul-qatal based on some stupid inauthentic hadith, whereas there is no single verse in the Quran stating to kill anyone in name of religion!
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You mind referring to the right quote?
What purpose does it serve if u r a Muslim but are corrupt and brutal?
I completely fail to fathom such an attitude!
Anyhow please don't teach me religion I am mashallah well aware of Islam! I participate in religious confrontations with Jews and Christians here.....
Its people like you who think others are wajib-ul-qatal based on some stupid inauthentic hadith, whereas there is no single verse in the Quran stating to kill anyone in name of religion!
yep and Surah e Tauba is hadith right *rolls his eyes*
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1 - Address by Muhammad Ali Jinnah to the Muslim League, Lahore, 1940

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[[23]] It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders; and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, and literature[s]. They neither intermarry nor interdine together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects [=perspectives?] on life, and of life, are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, their heroes are different, and different episode[s]. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent, and final. destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state.
2 - “We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”(In 1946, Quaid-e-Azam Islamia College Peshawar)

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4 - “You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil. With faith, discipline and selfless devotion to duty, there is nothing worthwhile that you cannot achieve.”
Address to the officers and men of the 5th Heavy Ack Ack and 6th Light Ack Ack Regiments in Malir, Karachi
February 21, 1948

5 - “We should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find free play.”
Address to Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers of Pakistan Government, Karachi October 11, 1947

6 - It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law-giver, the Prophet of Islam.

(Speech at Shahi Darbar, Sibi, February 14, 1948)

7 - Addressing Bar Association Karachi on 25th March 1948,

“Thirteen hundred years ago he laid the foundation of democracy… The Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great lawgiver. He was a great statesman and a great sovereign who ruled. No doubt, there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in even politics and economics and the like. It is based upon highest principles of honor, integrity, fair play and justice for all. One God and the equality of man is one of the fundamental principles of Islam. In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of equality, liberty and fraternity are the fundamental principles in Islam.”


In the Karachi Session of the Muslim League in 1943, Nawab Bahadur Yar Jang, clearly stated in the presence of Muhammad Ali Jinnah:
‘There is no denying the fact that we want Pakistan for the establishment of Quranic system of government. It will bring about a revolution in our life, a renaissance, a new fervour and zeal, and above all, a resuscitation of pristine Islamic purity and glory’. Addressing Jinnah, who was presiding over the session, he had stated, ‘Quaid-i-Azam, we have understood Pakistan in this light. If your Pakistan is not such, we do not want it’.
In his submission later, Jinnah had endorsed these views and held that ‘Islam was the bed-rock of the community’.
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quid e azam muhammad ali jinnah was a great leader due to his effort we are become independent state.......
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Naa it was baacha khan who got us Pakistan. congress was so happy with the 'frontier gandhi' that they said to hell with a united india.



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cyborg its very simple, either you believe that islam is a just and tolerant religion or you do not. if you do, then you would see no contradictions in any in the quaids quotes or speeches, because not one place will you see him defending the actions done routinely in pakistan. if you do not view islam as a tolerant and just religion, and feel that it is incumbent upon us as muslims to be judge jury and executioner for the population and go around deciding who is and is not muslim and what punishment they should receive, then yes, then you can take offense to posts that people like me make suggesting that the quaid had different reason for wanting pakistan created. at the end of the day, the issue is not what quaid wanted. its how each of us interprets our religion.
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cyborg its very simple, either you believe that islam is a just and tolerant religion or you do not. if you do, then you would see no contradictions in any in the quaids quotes or speeches, because not one place will you see him defending the actions done routinely in pakistan. if you do not view islam as a tolerant and just religion, and feel that it is incumbent upon us as muslims to be judge jury and executioner for the population and go around deciding who is and is not muslim and what punishment they should receive, then yes, then you can take offense to posts that people like me make suggesting that the quaid had different reason for wanting pakistan created. at the end of the day, the issue is not what quaid wanted. its how each of us interprets our religion.
bhayya main nay kab inkaar kia yehi main bhi arz kar raha tha quaid understood best among his contemperories abt islamic justice system, a hindu, christian or parsi or anyone has equal rights as any muslim. The problem is law and order basically, once we fix law and order then all will be good.

But when u say Quaid was secular and wanted a secular pakistan then we will have differences because its core foundation of pak. Once u agree that yes it was Islamic system he wanted which protects everyone then no phadda, I have in past said e.g in TTP case, we must try them under sharia law of fasad, cut of limb by limb till they bleed to death since they such champions of Islam phir dekho kitna TTP join karte hain. Bring changes to Blasphemy law where its death penalty for false accusations, and mobs should also be held under fasad law phir dekho kitne log defend karne nikalte hain, sab bhag jaingain, but no one wants that they keep harpin we should become secular if thats teh case then u cant win. Its as simple as that.
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