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cyborg909 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 02:58 AM

Jinx Jack · #2 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 03:57 AM

To do what? with the names?

cyborg909 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 04:49 AM

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To do what? with the names?

Its just a tactic to intimidate anyone who dun want to tow mqm line, its old fascism technique. Just intimidation this time they using malala incident.

AHMAD\ · #4 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 06:24 AM

I think it is a good initiative, a responsible one. The issue has been a pain in the neck for a while, and it has to be addressed directly. At least it's the responsibility of elected members to do what's the best for their constituency, and I am glad to see them vowing to take a step. The problem is in MQM's act doesn't necessarily follow the talk. I support them to take that initiative right away, but how much clean and impartially this will be done...it's hard to say.

And in Pakistan, all Political parties are fascist, lame to single out one. It's like kettle calling the pot black.

cyborg909 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AHMAD\

I think it is a good initiative, a responsible one. The issue has been a pain in the neck for a while, and it has to be addressed directly. At least it's the responsibility of elected members to do what's the best for their constituency, and I am glad to see them vowing to take a step. The problem is in MQM's act doesn't necessarily follow the talk. I support them to take that initiative right away, but how much clean and impartially this will be done...it's hard to say.

And in Pakistan, all Political parties are fascist, lame to single out one. It's like kettle calling the pot black.

Oh gimme a break good initiative seriously? He is using his party workers to make pvt lists and u call it good initiative? We have seen this good initiative every day in karachi. Fascism i call it.

Jinx Jack · #6 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 08:41 AM

Altaf burning it up!

KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Chief Altaf Hussain appealed to the people of Pakistan belonging to different schools of thoughts to refrain from offering prayers behind the ulema who do not condemn the attack upon daughter of the nation Malala Yousufzai by the Taliban terrorists.
He advised them to offer prayers in the mosques where the ulema were condemning the brutal attack, said a statement issued by the MQM here on Friday.
Altaf Hussain also appealed to the ulema belonging to different schools of thought to denounce the attack on Malala Yousufzai and other girls students in their prayers.
He asked them to offer special prayers for the well-being and health of Malala and other students who were injured in the attack.
Altaf Hussain praised the ulema belonging to Muttahida Bainul Muslimeen Forum and other ulema for showing courage in condemning the incident.
He asked them to get united for saving the country. - DAWN

cyborg909 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jinx Jack

Altaf burning it up!

KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Chief Altaf Hussain appealed to the people of Pakistan belonging to different schools of thoughts to refrain from offering prayers behind the ulema who do not condemn the attack upon daughter of the nation Malala Yousufzai by the Taliban terrorists.
He advised them to offer prayers in the mosques where the ulema were condemning the brutal attack, said a statement issued by the MQM here on Friday.
Altaf Hussain also appealed to the ulema belonging to different schools of thought to denounce the attack on Malala Yousufzai and other girls students in their prayers.
He asked them to offer special prayers for the well-being and health of Malala and other students who were injured in the attack.
Altaf Hussain praised the ulema belonging to Muttahida Bainul Muslimeen Forum and other ulema for showing courage in condemning the incident.
He asked them to get united for saving the country. - DAWN

yeah try some more sects, altaf hussain now trying a new deen-e-ilahi, muttehada ulema majlis 1st step, peer sahib soon gonna declare he is Imam mehdi, hazrat altaf hussain. Some one tells this fucker 1st come back to pak instead of sitting on his fat ass in london and preaching what should we pakistani do.

AHMAD\ · #8 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 01:37 PM

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Oh gimme a break good initiative seriously? He is using his party workers to make pvt lists and u call it good initiative? We have seen this good initiative every day in karachi. Fascism i call it.

You're welcome to take as many my friend.

In constituency where he has won reps, the party has every right to oblige by the demands of voters. And there is nothing wrong in implementing a course of action which is for the safety of people in the long run. Govt. was suppose to implement that, but it is well known how they go about their work.

BTW I like your insistence on 'holier than thou' approach. And as far as pvt. list...lol it's not like some of the "foul crying" partys doesn't have pvt. lists in the past. In fact it is well known who brought up the greatest ideas in that regards to mind, and only when it is done by the other side it become a problem. They all have same modus operandi. If one is fascist, then all are Fascist. Heck, the new JI aka PTI is also Fascist about it's ways. As I said, it's kettle calling pots Black.

adil_909 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx Jack

Altaf burning it up!

KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Chief Altaf Hussain appealed to the people of Pakistan belonging to different schools of thoughts to refrain from offering prayers behind the ulema who do not condemn the attack upon daughter of the nation Malala Yousufzai by the Taliban terrorists.
He advised them to offer prayers in the mosques where the ulema were condemning the brutal attack, said a statement issued by the MQM here on Friday.

sounds like a good plan to me! hate altaf hussain, fat ass clown, but this is spot on. people of pakistan should denounce those that refuse to denounce terrorism, fasaad, and jahaalat.

cyborg909 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AHMAD\

You're welcome to take as many my friend.

In constituency where he has won reps, the party has every right to oblige by the demands of voters. And there is nothing wrong in implementing a course of action which is for the safety of people in the long run. Govt. was suppose to implement that, but it is well known how they go about their work.

BTW I like your insistence on 'holier than thou' approach. And as far as pvt. list...lol it's not like some of the "foul crying" partys doesn't have pvt. lists in the past. In fact it is well known who brought up the greatest ideas in that regards to mind, and only when it is done by the other side it become a problem. They all have same modus operandi. If one is fascist, then all are Fascist. Heck, the new JI aka PTI is also Fascist about it's ways. As I said, it's kettle calling pots Black.

I am not being holier then thou, that is the point a wrong is wrong, whoever does it. Ofcoz its facsism and that is the point.

AHMAD\ · #11 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 09:30 PM

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I am not being holier then thou, that is the point a wrong is wrong, whoever does it. Ofcoz its facsism and that is the point.

First of all it's not wrong. At least I don't see it wrong in any way or sense. It's a good initiative. It was suppose to be the Govt. responsibility to implement it, but their failure prompted local reps to do it for their respective constituencies. No Rocket Science there.

Point about Fascism is meaningless, because EVERY political party is FASCIST there.

cyborg909 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 09:40 PM

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First of all it's not wrong. At least I don't see it wrong in any way or sense. It's a good initiative. It was suppose to be the Govt. responsibility to implement it, but their failure prompted local reps to do it for their respective constituencies. No Rocket Science there.

Point about Fascism is meaningless, because EVERYONE political party is FASCIST there.

And I agree with your last statement I have said above too. Today its mqm tomorrow some other party comes in and start making a list of all left of centre commentators or leaders and say will keep an eye out, thats pure intimidation, no matter who does it. Not that MQM could do nething outside karachi still it fits perfectly with terror tatctics mqm has employed for years. If you don't find anything wrong with this then plz standby ur comments when others do the same.

If mqm has pushed govt to make a list and ban ppl who use minbar to propagate hate then I would have all been for it and would have said remove them right away, but thats not what they saying they saying to compile a list of all ppl and who don't provide info they are to be targetted.

AHMAD\ · #13 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 09:54 PM

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And I agree with your last statement I have said above too. Today its mqm tomorrow some other party comes in and start making a list of all left of centre commentators or leaders and say will keep an eye out, thats pure intimidation, no matter who does it. Not that MQM could do nething outside karachi still it fits perfectly with terror tatctics mqm has employed for years. If you don't find anything wrong with this then plz standby ur comments when others do the same.

If mqm has pushed govt to make a list and ban ppl who use minbar to propagate hate then I would have all been for it and would have said remove them right away, but thats not what they saying they saying to compile a list of all ppl and who don't provide info they are to be targetted.

They did not say they are to be targeted. They said Govt. should be informed about them (that's what it is written in URDU in the news). Once again it's responsibility of local reps who are representing the constituency to report such occurrences and circumvent the spread of hatred in society.

And no sir, MQM is not the one who started that, correct your facts here. What MQM has done is a reaction to what has been happening in the name of AFGHAN Jihad and similar bunch of stupidity since 2001. They are not the one who started it. Those who started it, they have to bear the burn for that now. Those 'OTHERS' you have mentioned, I don't get intimidated by those OTHERS. Neither do I respect them nor do I hold any obligation towards them. Heck I don't even consider such assets as Pakistani, you know it. I don't give a crap about them.

cyborg909 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AHMAD\

They did not say they are to be targeted. They said Govt. should be informed about them (that's what it is written in URDU in the news). Once again it's responsibility of local reps who are representing the constituency to report such occurrences and circumvent the spread of hatred in society.

And no sir, MQM is not the one who started that, correct your facts here. What MQM has done is a reaction to what has been happening in the name of AFGHAN Jihad and similar bunch of stupidity since 2001. They are not the one who started it. Those who started it, they have to bear the burn for that now. Those 'OTHERS' you have mentioned, I don't get intimidated by those OTHERS. Neither do I respect them nor do I hold any obligation towards them. Heck I don't even consider such assets as Pakistani, you know it. I don't give a crap about them.

Just like you have opinions and perceptions others do to. Its easy to misinform and write history as per ur choosing, b4 afghan jahad there was Ayub's dictatorship we all know how that was of angels without any crimes, lets not even talk abt 1971 and what went in Bangladesh, lets even forget abt Bhutto's fascism, his dalai camps etc etc, but lets all blame on Zia and JI. That is been the issue, you accuse right of centre of hypocrisy and sympathizing with talibaan which ur right to do, they are hypocrite, but at same time you never condemn the same hypocrisy and facsism done by left. And that have been my argument, a wrong is wrong.

Malala incident and many incident b4 her were perfect place to start a consensus building in the society. To rally the nation and clearly lay out the plan, yet it didn't happen.

Take PTI e.g, Fauzia kasuri was on twitter she was 1st to reach hospital she talked with her father PTI was tweeting and condeming the attack and was providing moral and promising any material support, yet the narrative in all news media (except Geo) was PTI this and PTI that and that narrative became dominant which provides its own reaction from PTI they felt they being targetted and the debate created increased polzarization.

You posted Ayaz Mir article criticizing fair enough, did u ask Ayaz Mir wtf is he doing in PML - N and is elected on thier tkt, the same PML - N which is buddy buddy with sipah-e-sahaba, malik ishaq and Hafiz Saeed? Where was condemnation and resignation from ayaz mir whne his part's govt deliberately allowed unhindred passage to these fuckers so they can attack embassies in Isb? Where was condemnation when Law minister of Punjab sat in stage with Siaph-e-sahapa rally just last yr when they were killing shias?

MQM been in power since forever yesterday they had no issue with Maulana diesel he was thier best buddy, today they just to gain political points and show their liberal credentials to countries they residing in are creating another deen-e-ilahi.

Condemn them all mate thats all I have been saying,.

AHMAD\ · #15 (**permalink**) 10-12-2012, 10:24 PM

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Just like you have opinions and perceptions others do to. Its easy to misinform and write history as per ur choosing, b4 afghan jahad there was Ayub's dictatorship we all know how that was of angels without any crimes, lets not even talk abt 1971 and what went in Bangladesh, lets even forget abt Bhutto's fascism, his dalai camps etc etc, but lets all blame on Zia and JI. That is been the issue, you accuse right of centre of hypocrisy and sympathizing with talibaan which ur right to do, they are hypocrite, but at same time you never condemn the same hypocrisy and facsism done by left. And that have been my argument, a wrong is wrong.

Malala incident and many incident b4 her were perfect place to start a consensus building in the society. To rally the nation and clearly lay out the plan, yet it didn't happen.

Take PTI e.g, Fauzia kasuri was on twitter she was 1st to reach hospital she talked with her father PTI was tweeting and condeming the attack and was providing moral and promising any material support, yet the narrative in all news media (except Geo) was PTI this and PTI that and that narrative became dominant which provides its own reaction from PTI they felt they being targetted and the debate created increased polzarization.

You posted Ayaz Mir article criticizing fair enough, did u ask Ayaz Mir wtf is he doing in PML - N and is elected on thier tkt, the same PML - N which is buddy buddy with sipah-e-sahaba, malik ishaq and Hafiz Saeed? Where was condemnation and resignation from ayaz mir whne his part's govt deliberately allowed unhindred passage to these fuckers so they can attack embassies in Isb? Where was condemnation when Law minister of Punjab sat in stage with Siaph-e-sahapa rally just last yr when they were killing shias?

MQM been in power since forever yesterday they had no issue with Maulana diesel he was thier best buddy, today they just to gain political points and show their liberal credentials to countries they residing in are creating another deen-e-ilahi.

Condemn them all mate thats all I have been saying,.

Your age old oft repeated sympathy argument about Zia and JI and blame game on Ayub Khan..."THAT'S JUST BUNCH OF MALARKEY"

Wrong is wrong, that's what you should've thought before opening this thread. I told you in my first post that They are all Fascist, even though your initial insistence was on straight up blaming MQM. I am fine with your opinion, but I have to put the facts out there too.

And where did you not see the wrong? Try to find every excuse to divert away from the issue at hand, and instead finding justification of it because of Drone attacks. Isn't that what Right wing of Pakistan has indulged into? Isn't that what Arif Alvi just said? A failed stance on a lame argument.

Fauzia Kusuri was there for point scoring. Because it is evident now that whole March to Waziristan gig failed after Malala attack and Imran's hesitance to openly condemn and criticize the TTP. A weak approach.

I told you before that why I don't find enough reasoning to condemn the left in Pakistan. it is simply because they are not the oen revolting against state. They are not using religion to brain wash the youth of Pakistan and taking advantage of their social problems. They are not the one oppressing the minorities. They are not carrying out suicide bombings against Pakistanis. They are not sympathizing with the enemies of state. They are not the one carrying out attacks on Mehran Base and GHQ. They are not the one asking for state within state.

And there is no such thing as liberal fascist...wtf is that term? lol

And your point about Ayaz Amir is valid. But I only posted his article because it has factual information about incidence happening after Malala attack and opinions of Religious leaders and Imran Khan in media. I could care less about his opinion and his political affiliation. I form my own opinion based on facts.