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cyborg909 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-23-2012, 11:24 PM

MQM, JI say parties need to establish consensus for national solidarity – The Express Tribune

LAHORE: A Mutahidda Qaumi Movement (MQM) delegation and Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) leaders have announced that national security and the problems faced by the country demand that political parties establish a consensus for national solidarity, Express News reported on Tuesday.

The MQM delegation met with JI leader Ameer Munawwar Hassan and other party leaders in Lahore.

The meeting comprised of talks on issues of national security after which, in a joint press conference, MQM leader Farooq Sattar and Munawwar Hassan said that a round table conference on issues of national security should be held so that consensus can be established, adding that meetings were the only way to resolve differences between political parties.

Munawwar Hassan said that the time for early elections had passed and that the government needs to be pressurised to hold elections on time.

Both parties agreed that the public was looking towards political parties right now and they will have to reach consensus till a transitional government is formed and elections take place.

cyborg909 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-23-2012, 11:24 PM

Rang badalta hai asmaan kaise kaise

Fiza_fairy · #3 (**permalink**) 07-24-2012, 06:10 PM

hahah yh

AHMAD\ · #4 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 05:10 AM

Looks like appetizers keep coming.

It's election time, hence

ANP accepts MQM invitation to visit Nine Zero – The Express Tribune

In other words, ready to fell prey to these political parties once again and forget about the target killing & irreplaceable loss of human lives that incurred on economic hub of Pakistan in last 5 years. That's democracy eh...

A retarded assertion I read “Politics needs peace and peace needs politics,” remarked Haji Adeel.
Sir peace doesn't need any politics, it is better off without it.

Fiza_fairy · #5 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 05:47 PM

koi haal nhi kuch nhi hoga bus statement change

cyborg909 · #6 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AHMAD\

Looks like appetizers keep coming.

It's election time, hence

ANP accepts MQM invitation to visit Nine Zero – The Express Tribune

In other words, ready to fell prey to these political parties once again and forget about the target killing & irreplaceable loss of human lives that incurred on economic hub of Pakistan in last 5 years. That's democracy eh...

A retarded assertion I read “Politics needs peace and peace needs politics,” remarked Haji Adeel.
Sir peace doesn't need any politics, it is better off without it.

did u follow NA - 151 gilani vs bosan? Would like to know ur take and do u think its give us any indication for future general elections?

AHMAD\ · #7 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cyborg909

did u follow NA - 151 gilani vs bosan? Would like to know ur take and do u think its give us any indication for future general elections?

As far as General ELections, One good thing that happened is the appointment of Fakhro Ji. I think he's an honest guy with a reputable past. Though it doesn't sit well with me that why would Zardari appoint a person who cannot benefit him. So I am expecting some hanky panky but I think a right person was appointed for election commission, at least I can expect transparency.

Regarding NA-151. Yaar abb hun ki dasaan. Zimni Intekhabat kab FAIR huay hain, whether it's PPP of today or past, PML-N of today or past, MQM of today or past....zimni intekhabat doesn't tell anything. Abdul Qadir won expectedly, will see if he can retain it in real election. I personally don't think he'll be able to.

maverick86 · #8 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cyborg909

did u follow NA - 151 gilani vs bosan? Would like to know ur take and do u think its give us any indication for future general elections?

not addressed to me but i will take it anyway....gilaniyon nai poora zor lagaya to win this by election against an admittedly PTI, PML N backed bosan...but they only won by 4k in a constituency they won by 50k a few months back. and in PPP's hukumat....khud batein kya samajh main aya is say...

cyborg909 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 06:46 PM

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not addressed to me but i will take it anyway....gilaniyon nai poora zor lagaya to win this by election against an admittedly PTI, PML N backed bosan...but they only won by 4k in a constituency they won by 50k a few months back. and in PPP's hukumat....khud batein kya samajh main aya is say...

Mate ur insight always welcome

Thats what i wanted to tlk abt regardless of how much PML -N, PTI denies it, the support was unanimouse yet gilani won with clear margin. Lemme try to explain what I mean.

1 - IK whole premise is regardless of corruption and vote rigging Tsunami would be so powerful that it would wash away all hurdles. Clearly didn't happen.

2 - Indepdent observers have pointed out violation of election rules but have not said nething abt vote rigging in the elections so assume there was minimal vote rigging it doesn't bode well for oppoistion to lose by such margin while they presenteed united front.

3 - The argument that PTI or PML - N leaders didn't actively compaign is invalid, cuz they don't have to be phsically dere to influence after all Bosan bro is in PTI and PML - N learned there lesson in byelection of RWP against sheeda, where they Nawaz had to come down to secure victory and that win soured PML - N reputation they are not gonna repeat same mistake.

4 - Historically PPP has been largest single vote getting party, not enuff to to have simple majority but enough to emerge as single largest party. A joint electoral alliance of PPP, ANP, MQM, PML - Q and an understanding with JUI would be hard to beat.

5 - Liberals and minorities will stay with PPP, ANP and MQM they not gonna switch to IK.

Considering all this and right of centre votes being split between PML - N and IK would only help current ruling alliance to counter that, a seat to seat adjustment is needed to defeat current alliance.

Now here is my wild thoery that i proposed whe Shah Mohammad Qureshi joined PTI instead of PML - N and then Javed Hashmi (its a wild thoery without any proof

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Nawaz is just not acceptable to anyone beside he has done his own party harm by dithering, could it be that PTI is currently being given support to emerge as 2nd largest party to be in opposition, while weakening PML - N to such extent that a consensus begin to emerge for a unified Muslim League, at which point Nawaz get discarded and a unified Muslim league get formed with PTI SMQ now emerging as leader and next PM ?

Because seriously putting aside all rhetoric and emotions aside and looking at electoral politics in parlimentary system I don't see PTI emerging as single largest party even if they could somehow they would not have simple majority and would be forced to make alliances to form govt, now IK has said in that case they would be happy to sit in opposition but if they don't form govt hard to see them being relevent 5 yrs later.

AHMAD\ · #10 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cyborg909

Mate ur insight always welcome

Thats what i wanted to tlk abt regardless of how much PML -N, PTI denies it, the support was unanimouse yet gilani won with clear margin. Lemme try to explain what I mean.

1 - IK whole premise is regardless of corruption and vote rigging Tsunami would be so powerful that it would wash away all hurdles. Clearly didn't happen.

2 - Indepdent observers have pointed out violation of election rules but have not said nething abt vote rigging in the elections so assume there was minimal vote rigging it doesn't bode well for oppoistion to lose by such margin while they presenteed united front.

3 - The argument that PTI or PML - N leaders didn't actively compaign is invalid, cuz they don't have to be phsically dere to influence after all Bosan bro is in PTI and PML - N learned there lesson in byelection of RWP against sheeda, where they Nawaz had to come down to secure victory and that win soured PML - N reputation they are not gonna repeat same mistake.

4 - Historically PPP has been largest single vote getting party, not enuff to to have simple majority but enough to emerge as single largest party. A joint electoral alliance of PPP, ANP, MQM, PML - Q and an understanding with JUI would be hard to beat.

5 - Liberals and minorities will stay with PPP, ANP and MQM they not gonna switch to IK.

Considering all this and right of centre votes being split between PML - N and IK would only help current ruling alliance to counter that, a seat to seat adjustment is needed to defeat current alliance.

Now here is my wild thoery that i proposed whe Shah Mohammad Qureshi joined PTI instead of PML - N and then Javed Hashmi (its a wild thoery without any proof

)

Nawaz is just not acceptable to anyone beside he has done his own party harm by dithering, could it be that PTI is currently being given support to emerge as 2nd largest party to be in opposition, while weakening PML - N to such extent that a consensus begin to emerge for a unified Muslim League, at which point Nawaz get discarded and a unified Muslim league get formed with PTI SMQ now emerging as leader and next PM ?

Because seriously putting aside all rhetoric and emotions aside and looking at electoral politics in parlimentary system I don't see PTI emerging as single largest party even if they could somehow they would not have simple majority and would be forced to make alliances to form govt, now IK has said in that case they would be happy to sit in opposition but if they don't form govt hard to see them being relevent 5 yrs later.

All your points are valid. But I wasn't expecting any other result. In fact, a Bosan win would've surprised me because after all it was a by-election. A lot of technicalities didn't even factor in, which will in the actual election. Remember PML Q won all by elections but lost key seats in General elections.

And that PPP/Zardaris unification politics, it's nothing new because I asked the same question here. I haven't find a convincing answer that PPP can lose the election. I wasn't buying the notion that PTI or PML-N will be able to beat that coalition. It didn't look easy, especially since PML-N is limited to a territorial party and similarly IK is so far only targeting particular areas.

cyborg909 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 08:01 PM

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All your points are valid. But I wasn't expecting any other result. In fact, a Bosan win would've surprised me because after all it was a by-election. A lot of technicalities didn't even factor in, which will in the actual election. Remember PML Q won all by elections but lost key seats in General elections.

And that PPP/Zardaris unification politics, it's nothing new because I asked the same question here. I haven't find a convincing answer that PPP can lose the election. I wasn't buying the notion that PTI or PML-N will be able to beat that coalition. It didn't look easy, especially since PML-N is limited to a territorial party and similarly IK is so far only targeting particular areas.

How abt seat to seat adjustment in rest of pakistan btween PML - N, PTI, JI and free for all in punjab? But once again it comes down to post election I don't see how any one single party can emerge bigger then PPP and even if does would be short of simple majority. If IK goal is to get enuff seats to become official opposition and then bet on weak govt not able to get full term he better tone down tsunami rhetoric cuz the shock of loss will seriously turn off lot of youth.

adil_909 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-25-2012, 09:36 PM

imran khan's strategy is not flawed. he knows the best shot he has of winning is by appealing to the majority of the nation that does not vote. in 2008 elections i think voting percentages was 35-40% which is just sad. proves that people do not take responsibility of voting seriously. as such, imran is conceding that majority of ppp/pml supporters will vote for their given parties. but there is enough of a gap there that if he can take the youth vote and also get new voters to come out and support him then he has a shot. by elections are inherently "flawed" in the sense that you cannot really muster the type of national support that you can during general election season. i still have faith that imran will get a healthy number of seats in 2013, i haven't given up on my country yet. but if he's out in the fringes once more, that might be just be the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of our reputation and survival as a nation. i know we've been through dictatorships, earthquakes, floods, etc but 10 years of zardari leadership? oh man i shudder to think...

AHMAD\ · #13 (**permalink**) 07-26-2012, 12:14 AM

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How abt seat to seat adjustment in rest of pakistan btween PML - N, PTI, JI and free for all in punjab? But once again it comes down to post election I don't see how any one single party can emerge bigger then PPP and even if does would be short of simple majority. If IK goal is to get enuff seats to become official opposition and then bet on weak govt not able to get full term he better tone down tsunami rhetoric cuz the shock of loss will seriously turn off lot of youth.

but how? that's the question.

First of all PML-N and PTI are at total odds.
PML-N has no popularity in Sindh and KP. PTI also has none in Sindh. Balochistan doesn't have enough seats. Punjab will be a battle ground for all three, with PPP having strong support in South Punjab. So as you earlier said, PML-N and PPP will cancel out each other and that will benefit Zardari led coalition. This scenario didn't change since IK's Karachi jalsa. I don't see anything concrete out there to make me think otherwise.

If IK sweep Punjab and KP, then he will have simple majority (not 2/3 in any case). JUI, MQM and ANP are swing parties they will go with him for a coalition setup. That's the only way I see PTI wining anything. Same for PML-N, but they have to beat PPP in South Punjab. IK and PML-N cannot do politics as Zardari can, and like Zardari has said time and again "siyasat sikhiye mujh se"...he is proving it once again. In five years of failed administration, not a single party could muster enough support in the country to put PPP in danger. lol.

cyborg909 · #14 (**permalink**) 07-26-2012, 01:11 AM

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but how? that's the question.

First of all PML-N and PTI are at total odds.
PML-N has no popularity in Sindh and KP. PTI also has none in Sindh. Balochistan doesn't have enough seats. Punjab will be a battle ground for all three, with PPP having strong support in South Punjab. So as you earlier said, PML-N and PPP will cancel out each other and that will benefit Zardari led coalition. This scenario didn't change since IK's Karachi jalsa. I don't see anything concrete out there to make me think otherwise.

If IK sweep Punjab and KP, then he will have simple majority (not 2/3 in any case). JUI, MQM and ANP are swing parties they will go with him for a coalition setup. That's the only way I see PTI wining anything. Same for PML-N, but they have to beat PPP in South Punjab. IK and PML-N cannot do politics as Zardari can, and like Zardari has said time and again "siyasat sikhiye mujh se"...he is proving it once again. In five years of failed administration, not a single party could muster enough support in the country to put PPP in danger. lol.

Agree with u PTI is completly out of sindh and they might wiggle out couple of seats at most. Baluchistan is whoever govt wants cuz there is no way they can hold fair elections in baluchistan so it will be whoever is ruling. That leaves KP and punjab.

PPP is down in punjab and I don't think south punjab would be such an issue, more likely I see PML - N cutting off PML - Q and calling a reconciliaton just b4 elections and regardless of what any say that would be brilliant tactical move, leaguee will vote leaguee and a unified leaguee block would render the race 2 way btween PTI and PML - N. KP is the wild card but even with KP in pocket Ik wont have enuff, so far all calculations show as sheeda says purani tankhuwa pay he sab kaam karaingain