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The Babri Mosque was one of the largest mosques in Uttar Pradesh, a state in India with some thirteen million Muslims. Although there were several older mosques in the city of Ayodhya, with a substantial Muslim population, including the Hazrat Bal Mosque constructed by the Shariqi kings, the Babri Mosque became the largest. by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_Mosque
Next time you go out on all out rampage i suggest you do a little research and then debate; by coming here just to try to kick some knowledge you are only making mockery of your self.
myth ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mth)
n.
A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth.
Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.
[ B]A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a star whose fame turned her into a myth; the pioneer myth of suburbia. [/B] A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
A fictitious story, person, or thing: “German artillery superiority on the Western Front was a myth” (Leon Wolff). by
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Buddy I have been to ayodhya not a single mosque other than babari mosque existed and nto ai single muslim person lives in that city....... stop parading wikipedia as if it is a white paper from govt of India.. wikipedia is free for all public domain database and is always dubious........
I will trust my eyes more than this..
Again I don't care what is reality or what is myth.. religion in general is based on myth noone has seen god it's all make believe.. but the fact is hindus revere ayodhya and it has no historical or religious importance for muslims ....period..
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06-14-2006, 08:36 AM
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Once you create a nation based on religion no matter how hard you try you can;t put religious zealot jenie back in the box.. so Jinnah saheb may not have envisaged this but whatever pakistan is today is due to jinnah saheb only.......
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well, a Pakistani's answer to this is "Alhamdulillah, The Almighty Allah gave us a separate country and we r in a way better position than we had been, had the partition not occured."
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Abdul Kalam said;
Buddy I have been to ayodhya not a single mosque other than babari mosque existed and nto ai single muslim person lives in that city....... stop parading wikipedia as if it is a white paper from govt of India.. wikipedia is free for all public domain database and is always dubious........
I will trust my eyes more than this..
Again I don't care what is reality or what is myth.. religion in general is based on myth noone has seen god it's all make believe.. but the fact is hindus revere ayodhya and it has no historical or religious importance for muslims ....period..
My friend you can try as much as you can to hide your government's utter failure to protect the rights of its minorities but that doesn't stop us from judging the situation for what it is; and that is undeniable incompetence of your government. It amazes me that you even have the guts to put pen to paper and write that Ayodyha doesn't have any Muslim living there!! It is beyond me that how some one should believe or even take you serioulsy when you so jealously hide even the basic facts out there regarding the Ayodyha issue. While the whole world accepts that Muslims live In Ayodyha and that the Babri Mosque was only one of the many functioning Mosques in Ayodyha only to be destroyed by Hindu Fanatics whose only reasoning was that according to some myth there so called god lived there. The Fact that it has no religious importance is not the issue, the issue is your government's failure to protect Houses of Worships instead of letting those skinny looking zealots destroy Houses of Worship. And the whole world accepts Wikipedia as a reliable source of information whether you Indians like it or not. Just goes on to show what kind of creatures you are when you only accept sources that agree with your own believes. Honestly though behind that veil of yours ( i.e. the Muslim name) i see a Hindu thinking that by having a Muslim name he can some-how defend the Indian government's incompetence and thus painting us a picture of a proggressive India, when we all know that couldn't be any further than the truth. Good look preaching to us.  and another one
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06-14-2006, 07:57 PM
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well, a Pakistani's answer to this is "Alhamdulillah, The Almighty Allah gave us a separate country and we r in a way better position than we had been, had the partition not occured."
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Basically I respect my Country Alot..  ab ban gay to kya Karein par mere khayal se Bana nahi chayetha..well not Disrespectfull Par my point of veiw is That What ever u do for them they will be always fighting..ab dekho in India hindus and muslims were fighting rite...And then they make pakistan for the sake of muslims and in pakistan they are now fighting Shias and sunnis killing Hare Pagre wale..so my point is that Humans keep on fighting what ever you do for them..>>They aint gona stop fighting.  & again i Respect my country alot..Pakistan Zindah bad
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06-14-2006, 08:58 PM
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Abdul Kalam said;
Buddy I have been to ayodhya not a single mosque other than babari mosque existed and nto ai single muslim person lives in that city....... stop parading wikipedia as if it is a white paper from govt of India.. wikipedia is free for all public domain database and is always dubious........
I will trust my eyes more than this..
Again I don't care what is reality or what is myth.. religion in general is based on myth noone has seen god it's all make believe.. but the fact is hindus revere ayodhya and it has no historical or religious importance for muslims ....period..
My friend you can try as much as you can to hide your government's utter failure to protect the rights of its minorities but that doesn't stop us from judging the situation for what it is; and that is undeniable incompetence of your government. It amazes me that you even have the guts to put pen to paper and write that Ayodyha doesn't have any Muslim living there!! It is beyond me that how some one should believe or even take you serioulsy when you so jealously hide even the basic facts out there regarding the Ayodyha issue. While the whole world accepts that Muslims live In Ayodyha and that the Babri Mosque was only one of the many functioning Mosques in Ayodyha only to be destroyed by Hindu Fanatics whose only reasoning was that according to some myth there so called god lived there. The Fact that it has no religious importance is not the issue, the issue is your government's failure to protect Houses of Worships instead of letting those skinny looking zealots destroy Houses of Worship. And the whole world accepts Wikipedia as a reliable source of information whether you Indians like it or not. Just goes on to show what kind of creatures you are when you only accept sources that agree with your own believes. Honestly though behind that veil of yours ( i.e. the Muslim name) i see a Hindu thinking that by having a Muslim name he can some-how defend the Indian government's incompetence and thus painting us a picture of a proggressive India, when we all know that couldn't be any further than the truth. Good look preaching to us. and another one |
Just want to point out that no one should accept wikipedia as a *reliable* source. It is a reasonable source, but not reliable. I can start or edit a page on any topic, and though there is moderation, i can still use words to subtly indicate my point of view rather than the truth, or atleast cast some doubts on the truth that might be appealing to the reader
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06-14-2006, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cold_spring
The Babri Mosque was one of the largest mosques in Uttar Pradesh, a state in India with some thirteen million Muslims. Although there were several older mosques in the city of Ayodhya, with a substantial Muslim population, including the Hazrat Bal Mosque constructed by the Shariqi kings, the Babri Mosque became the largest. by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_Mosque
Next time you go out on all out rampage i suggest you do a little research and then debate; by coming here just to try to kick some knowledge you are only making mockery of your self.
myth ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mth)
n.
A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth.
Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.
[ B]A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a star whose fame turned her into a myth; the pioneer myth of suburbia. [/B] A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
A fictitious story, person, or thing: “German artillery superiority on the Western Front was a myth” (Leon Wolff). by
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myth
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So you are saying that no matter the number of people who believe in it, some things are just myths or half truths? Well then the same can be applied to one Mr. Mohammed, can't it? And before you go fluanting the Quran as proof of his existance or divinity, well there are many more books and literature that state Ram and his temple are truths too. And since *YOU* haven't seen either i suppose you can accept them both to be myths or truths, but not selectively.
And that is just for Muhammed's existance. And if we believe he did exist historically, even then using the Quran as proof of his divity or prohethood doesnt' work since muslims accept the Quran was writen based on Muhammed's words (which he said he got from god via his angel), but it just is a self fulfilling prophecy. Quran --> Muhammed is prophet, Muhamed is prophet --> Quran is correct.
Do you see how applying logic when it comes to beliefs is rather upsettign to the beliefs??
I believe religion and God has more to do with an individual's beliefs and hope rather than cold hard facts.
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06-14-2006, 09:12 PM
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N.B. the Babri Mosque incident is completly different since it was carried out purely out of hate for Muslims by the terror wing of BJP (i.e. the RSS). Also the reason of the demolition of Babri Mosque was based on Hindu myth which makes a mockery of the Human intelect.
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NB: The babri musjid was built on a Muslim Myth { Allah, Muhammed is prophet etc } so the reaction to its demolition is a mockery of the Human intellect.
See how easy that was ? Dont bring reason and logic in. Religion is a personal matter of faith and that is beyond the realms of intellect. Otherwise there would be no religion since no one can offer conclusive scientific proof of existance of God
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06-14-2006, 09:14 PM
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Right. And the reason there are < 3% hindus in pakistan starting with over 30% is because they all realised the truth of islam and converted? We can trade shots all day long on this.
Humans are going to be selfish, be more than ready to destroy things they dont understand or are different. It is human nature as it is hindu or muslim nature.
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06-14-2006, 10:12 PM
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Just want to point out that no one should accept wikipedia as a *reliable* source. It is a reasonable source, but not reliable. I can start or edit a page on any topic, and though there is moderation, i can still use words to subtly indicate my point of view rather than the truth, or atleast cast some doubts on the truth that might be appealing to the reader
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ummmm, wikipedia is more reliable than brittanica according to Nature Group study:
http://news.com.com/Study+Wikipedia+...3-5997332.html
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06-14-2006, 10:13 PM
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Right. And the reason there are < 3% hindus in pakistan starting with over 30% is because they all realised the truth of islam and converted? We can trade shots all day long on this.
Humans are going to be selfish, be more than ready to destroy things they dont understand or are different. It is human nature as it is hindu or muslim nature.
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there were 30% hindus to start with in pakistan?
this is the first time i am hearing this. mind proving this peice of information?
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So you are saying that no matter the number of people who believe in it, some things are just myths or half truths? Well then the same can be applied to one Mr. Mohammed, can't it? And before you go fluanting the Quran as proof of his existance or divinity, well there are many more books and literature that state Ram and his temple are truths too. And since *YOU* haven't seen either i suppose you can accept them both to be myths or truths, but not selectively.
And that is just for Muhammed's existance. And if we believe he did exist historically, even then using the Quran as proof of his divity or prohethood doesnt' work since muslims accept the Quran was writen based on Muhammed's words (which he said he got from god via his angel), but it just is a self fulfilling prophecy. Quran --> Muhammed is prophet, Muhamed is prophet --> Quran is correct.
Do you see how applying logic when it comes to beliefs is rather upsettign to the beliefs??
I believe religion and God has more to do with an individual's beliefs and hope rather than cold hard facts.
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I think you need to read up on basic islam before you attempt to debate this issue. Quran is NOT based on the word of Muhammad, its the word of Allah.
There is a HUGE difference, and muslims DO NOT believe that Muhammad is God. He is only a prophet, like Jesus, Moses, and Abraham.
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Abdul Kalam said;
Buddy I have been to ayodhya not a single mosque other than babari mosque existed and nto ai single muslim person lives in that city....... stop parading wikipedia as if it is a white paper from govt of India.. wikipedia is free for all public domain database and is always dubious........
I will trust my eyes more than this..
Again I don't care what is reality or what is myth.. religion in general is based on myth noone has seen god it's all make believe.. but the fact is hindus revere ayodhya and it has no historical or religious importance for muslims ....period..
My friend you can try as much as you can to hide your government's utter failure to protect the rights of its minorities but that doesn't stop us from judging the situation for what it is; and that is undeniable incompetence of your government. It amazes me that you even have the guts to put pen to paper and write that Ayodyha doesn't have any Muslim living there!! It is beyond me that how some one should believe or even take you serioulsy when you so jealously hide even the basic facts out there regarding the Ayodyha issue. While the whole world accepts that Muslims live In Ayodyha and that the Babri Mosque was only one of the many functioning Mosques in Ayodyha only to be destroyed by Hindu Fanatics whose only reasoning was that according to some myth there so called god lived there. The Fact that it has no religious importance is not the issue, the issue is your government's failure to protect Houses of Worships instead of letting those skinny looking zealots destroy Houses of Worship. And the whole world accepts Wikipedia as a reliable source of information whether you Indians like it or not. Just goes on to show what kind of creatures you are when you only accept sources that agree with your own believes. Honestly though behind that veil of yours ( i.e. the Muslim name) i see a Hindu thinking that by having a Muslim name he can some-how defend the Indian government's incompetence and thus painting us a picture of a proggressive India, when we all know that couldn't be any further than the truth. Good look preaching to us. and another one |
buddy u have read and I have visted the place.. muslims live 20 kms aways in faizabad .. don;t pontificate me on demographic matetr of india.....
moreover u have successfully changed the topic.. issue here is govrnment demolshing a temple in lahore not some mob .. so tell me what excuse you have got........ bunch of hypocrites who love to change the topic... ayodhya is history we are talking about lahore issue here and stick to it..
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let us not get into what is myth and what is truth because when it comes to religion not even a single thign is proven across the religious boundary it's all make belive.. point here is that a governmet has demolished hindu temple and the same governmet cries wolf for mosque demolition by some loony mob elsewhere...............
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06-15-2006, 01:07 AM
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I think you need to read up on basic islam before you attempt to debate this issue. Quran is NOT based on the word of Muhammad, its the word of Allah.
There is a HUGE difference, and muslims DO NOT believe that Muhammad is God. He is only a prophet, like Jesus, Moses, and Abraham.
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And who said that it's word of allah ..prophet.. right.. so we are back to suare one.. no religion can prove anything it's all make believe.....moroever it's pointless to look for reason in matters of faith to start with.....
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Religion is based on faith. In faith, proof and reason is irrelevant.
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