I was going through a Facebook page called * Pakistan *

https://www.facebook.com/PakistanOfficial

with about 60,000 fans on it.

So there was a story on it about how some muslim people attacked a church because the children singing carols in it on loudspeakers was disturbing their prayers.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/320644/c...s-with-carols/



Here is what the PAGE ADMIN wrote.


I was just wondering who is the retard behind this specif comment.
Pakistan is a Islamic country, Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Islam should be the number religion, we should get priority over others right ?

Thought I agree attacking the church was a plain act of retardness but still........I don't agree with these comments.

The friday sermon or the Azaans can not be compared to these carols. Though we should repect all religion but this is just not right, the so called BLASTING oF khudbas on Friday isn't a disturbance to anyone else! Islam is a majority in Pakistan and I believe very few people would have problems with Friday khudbas!

Just wanted to share with you guys..............Some people here might not agree with me, but then no need to bash me for no reason! :P
We are here to present our opinions not force them upon each other...so just wanted to know what you guys think of the bold text ! ?

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Yeah, it is weird. But that guy must be one of those NFP(Naddem F. Paracha) fans!

BTW it was created in the Name of Islam, but ever since its creation it has not been a Islamic country(Neither any other country in the world for that matter)

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Unfortunately yes...the answer to your first question.....

now a caveat....since when did being a Islamic country give us the right to have one rule for us and one rule for the 'kafirs'.....what is wrong with you guys?

Other ostensibly 'non-muslim' countries are actually adhering to the spirit of our religion...i.e. equality, if a loudspeaker is allowed, it should be allowed for everyone, if its not allowed then its not allowed whoever it is. That is Islam...not this bl00dy boorish, parochial, and downright discriminatory behaviour.

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pakistanis need to learn to respect one another. seriously there is zero respect, it's like we are just looking for another excuse to have a go at one another. let's tone it down and learn to all get along.

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Does Soodi arabia allow churchs, synagogues and temples? Isn't that your best defintion of "islamic country"?

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Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. It was not created to thrash minorities and enforce a brand of Islam according to a interpretation of a few. Unfortunately our society is a truly polarized society. On one end are the Extremist elements on the other extremely liberal. Lack of knowledge and understanding of religion has pushed the moderates (those who have little knowledge about what their religion truly stands for) into either of the two, without much understanding of what they imply. Thus creating a silent moderate who is afraid to speak out.

When you live in a society where they're are people of other faith and religions, you need to have and show some mutual respect.

If indeed the Church was playing loud Carols inside. A bit of sanity and dialogue would have resolved the problem.

The sad thing is every moderate Muslim in Pakistan is confused and worried that any given day he might be branded a infidel or accused of doing something unholy. In the near future you will either be branded a mullah or a marasi.

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Good Post.

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In a country that is ruled by the precepts set by Muhammad pbuh in Medina, carol singing or bhajan singing in public is not allowed. Azaans and khutbas on mics are not allowed in a "democratic" country like France, neither in Canada. Why? Because the majority of people have voted to get them banned.

In Pakistan, the constitution ideally should be based on Islamic precepts. Islamic precepts dictate that no other religion except Islam will be allowed to propagate or publicly display its beliefs. Minorities have freedom to practice their religion in private.

Attacking the church, especially children, might not be an ideal response. Best response would have been to first tell them to turn off the mics, and if they did not, cut off the wires to the mic. No need for violence.

Btw, I am happy there are no Temples and Churches in Saudi. Prophet pbuh said in an authentic narration


Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.288 Narrated by Said bin Jubair Ibn 'Abbas said that the Prophet (saws) on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, 'Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them.' I forgot the third (order)."


Book 019, Number 4366:

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

And for those ex-Muslim kaafirs who want Saudis to build Temples and Churches, here is something for you. Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 9 Surah Taubah verse 28:
O ye who believe! Truly the mushriks (idolators) are unclean; so let them not after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty ,soon will Allah enrich you if He wills out of his bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise.


If you do not like it or if you think Islam is intolerant, so be it. If I had it my way, I'd be the first in ranks to purge Arabia of all the kufaar.

islam is not intolerant, you are. you are living in canada but have more backward views than most villagers in pakistan. disgusting.

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Thank you.

By your definition, Muhammad pbuh was also intolerant for saying purge Arabia of pagans, Jews and Christians. I am happy to be called intolerant if my worldviews tick you off that much.

Your lack of knowledge of the deen you profess to claim amazes me, and yet disgusts me that somehow "pseudo-tolerant" people like you are my "brother" in Islam. Seems, you hate villagers too as you mentioned them as example of "intolerance." Very (un)educated of you.

And I am not sure what my living in Canada has got anything to do with my philosophy and world-views. :S.

^What was revolutionary in 7th century Arabia is not revolutionary now, we need to have adapted with the process of time. Last I heard church sermons weren't broadcast on a mic in France either? and rightly or wrongly, they banned all sorts of religious garb, the veil the turban and the cross, and the yarmulke....in this case you have one set of rules for one group of people and entirely different one for another set of people. That is inequality and discrimination, and that also has no place in Islam or any civilized society

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Speak for yourself. Times might have changed for you. But not for me. Your desire for remaining stagnant in changed times will always clash with my desires, and probably those of other extremist Muslims. You hate me and my thinking, and I despise and abhor you as much.

Yup, they banned all sorts of religious garb, and hopefully one day militants will ban all sorts of people from existing who in the past banned religious garbs.
One set of rules for one group ... that is inequality? One set of rules dictated by secularists is also "one set of rule" for themselves, and I reject them as they are discriminatory.

Discrimination will always remain. Today it is the discriminatory world-view of secularists, in the past it was that of fanatics, tomorrow lets see who dominates. As militancy gets stronger, the secularist institutional structures do feel threatened. That is a start.

A very small example is that of Salman Taseer's death. The man is an alpha male. Gunned the bastard down. An historic act.

And what is this "civilized" society you speak of? Humans are mere biological animals. There can be nothing "civilized" about human animals, especially when evolutionary forces work on us. I have accepted that I am an uncivilized bastard. And so are the other 7 billion humans. Let us accept uncivilized barbarism as our legacy. We already wiped Neanderthals out.

What "discrimination" occurs in secular countries?

I don't even know you, how can I hate you? Although, yes your views are quite extreme. What you are failing to understand is that is that there needs to be a legal framework which does not treat individuals unequally simply because of their beliefs. A secularist should receive the same rights as an Islamist, a Muslim the same as a Hindu, Jew, Christian, atheist whoever. You CANNOT effectively propagate a religion exclusively on the point of a sword as you are proposing here, in fact, Islam does not advocate that at all.
What Mumtaz Qadri did was dereliction of duty, first degree murder, premeditated and cold. If he was a Muslim who valued honesty in the true tradition of Mohammad (SAW), he would have resigned his commission in the bodyguards and taken Taseer to court instead of abusing his position of trust and in essence shooting a man dead in cold blood.

Kindly elaborate on the 'one set of rules' you have mentioned as being discriminatory and imposed by secularists?

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you are an uncivilized uncultured ungrateful and intolerant b*&(%$d that's for sure. but please leave the other 7 billion of us out of your pathetic world view. you seem to think that it is okay to be intolerant and disrespectful of other people because that is the way that you are. well it's not, and using that as an excuse makes you pathetic. you say islam is intolerant? show me where in the quran it tells us to go to other places and destroy non-muslims. anywhere at all. yes you quoted a verse that tells muslims to guard the holy mosque against idol worshippers, which makes perfect sense when you think about the predominant culture in the time of the Prophet (pbuh). now please explain to me where it tells us to be respectful and hateful towards those who do not follow islam? perhaps you should go back and read surah al kafirun which addresses disbelievers. how does the surah end?

"la kum deen u kum wali a deen"

it does not end with the Prophet (pbuh) telling the disbelievers that they must believe or that they will end up being killed or "purged". it tells them that while we do not believe the same thing, to you your religion and to me mine. learn something from this surah.

additionally, this thread was started about muslim christian relations. many scholars beleive surah kafirun was not takling about christians and jews at all but were talking about other members of the quraish and other arabs who were still worshipping idols. so forget for a minute that you yourself are so intolerant, despite living in a predominantly christian country, that you want them to be purged. however, the quran has praised christians and jews many many many times and you'd know that if you ever read it with an open mind and heart. if jews and christians are enemies that need to be "purged" then why has Allah allowed us to marry jewish and christian women without them converting to islam? surely such a thing should not be allowed if jews and christians are evil worthy of being purged. but more importantly, if you yourself believe in whatever BS you are typing, then why are you going into medicine in a western country where you will be helping those that you believe should be purged? why don't you instead join some sort of group that instead of helping westerners harms them? you claim to have perfect understanding of islam, and you beleive that via perfect understanding you have come to the conclusion that islam is intolerant, so why are you living in a secular nation where you are a minority and living against those that you should supposedly hate? why? why? why?

the fact is that like i said before, the quran and islam is not intolerant. however, people like you have warped the interpretations of the religion, and what we are seeing is that the more intolerant someone is, the louder they are in expressing their views. that is the WHOLE problem with pakistan right now. hopefully people will soon wake up and smell the coffee, and realize that islam is a beautiful relgiion that is there for ALL mankind and for ALL time. i'll be waiting for your passages from the quran which tell me to go around and "purge" disbelievers and take their lives, and to celebrate those that take these actions.

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