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cyborg909 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 03:22 AM

Pakistani media is supra-liberal: Talat Hussain – The Express Tribune

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cyborg909 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 03:22 AM

Brilliant Argument

kickus · #3 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 03:43 AM

the word media in general is so over used in our country and "media" that the mere use of it is annoying as eff

cyborg909 · #4 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kickus

the word media in general is so over used in our country and "media" that the mere use of it is annoying as eff

He said media, which include all media donot take it as only news media and his argument is valid.

AHMAD\ · #5 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 05:13 AM

That depends on his definition of supra liberal or right wing.

I don't agree with him that all media is placed far away from right wing. It may be liberal leaning but not totally placed. But that's how media is everywhere, Britain, U.S., you name it. There is not a country out there where media is not liberal leaning. Media mostly purports youth point of view, and youth is generally progressive minded.

And that assertion is invalid that Pakistan is unwilling to hear out the conservative argument. How about the other way around? He should know we are talking about a country where the moderate leaning Ullema were killed because of tolerant and open stance against right wing. If there is such a thing it's equally in both camps. The problem is that both sides are struggling to tolerate opposing view points, and it's thanks to the extremes on both ends.

Even in liberal leaning media, the conservative opinion do get space. For ex: Hamid Mir's doesn't lean liberal, Asma Sherazi's doesn't lean liberal, Ansar Abbasi doesn't lean liberal. I also don't see the progressive talk from the so called right wing camp of Pakistan, which is very different than Iran or Egypt. Perhaps the reason why they don't receive equal acceptance from youth.

cyborg909 · #6 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AHMAD\

That depends on his definition of supra liberal or right wing.

I don't agree with him that all media is placed far away from right wing. It may be liberal leaning but not totally placed. But that's how media is everywhere, Britain, U.S., you name it. There is not a country out there where media is not liberal leaning. Media mostly purports youth point of view, and youth is generally progressive minded.

And that assertion is invalid that Pakistan is unwilling to hear out the conservative argument. How about the other way around? He should know we are talking about a country where the moderate leaning Ullema were killed because of tolerant and open stance against right wing. If there is such a thing it's equally in both camps. The problem is that both sides are struggling to tolerate opposing view points, and it's thanks to the extremes on both ends.

Even in liberal leaning media, the conservative opinion do get space. For ex: Hamid Mir's doesn't lean liberal, Asma Sherazi's doesn't lean liberal, Ansar Abbasi doesn't lean liberal. I also don't see the progressive talk from the so called right wing camp of Pakistan, which is very different than Iran or Egypt. Perhaps the reason why they don't receive equal acceptance from youth.

I would like to ask u did u watch the video? Cuz he has explained what he means and he is absolutely right, just take Geo programming, Hamid Mir compare to Najam Sethi, Sana Bucha, Hum Sab Umeed Se Hain etc etc. I would ask u to watch the video to really understand what he is saying, he said "liberal, in shallowest terminology" and that has been the argument thats why being called Liberal fascits, fake liberals cuz they donot understand real liberal values and spouse things which are total nonsense in name of liberalism what goes on Pak media is crap. Jang allow space to have Nazir naji and haroon=ur=rasheed, hasan nisar and hamid mir, Ayaz mir and I can go on n on, Jang Stated policy is neutral allowing most voices from both sides, unlike say Jasara, Nawa-i-waqt or Express Tribune and Dawn

Jinx Jack · #7 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 06:41 AM

That was one hella of a complex argument!

AHMAD\ · #8 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cyborg909

I would like to ask u did u watch the video? Cuz he has explained what he means and he is absolutely right, just take Geo programming, Hamid Mir compare to Najam Sethi, Sana Bucha, Hum Sab Umeed Se Hain etc etc. I would ask u to watch the video to really understand what he is saying, he said "liberal, in shallowest terminology" and that has been the argument thats why being called Liberal fascits, fake liberals cuz they donot understand real liberal values and spouse things which are total nonsense in name of liberalism what goes on Pak media is crap. Jang allow space to have Nazir naji and haroon=ur=rasheed, hasan nisar and hamid mir, Ayaz mir and I can go on n on, Jang Stated policy is neutral allowing most voices from both sides, unlike say Jasara, Nawa-i-waqt or Express Tribune and Dawn

Of course I watched the video, why would I share my views without hearing him out. And I don't agree with him that conservatives/right wing don't get any space in media. May be his opinion, I see it otherwise. I don't agree that tolerance is lacking towards right wing camp, I see both camps lacking any moderation and space for opposing argument.

cyborg909 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AHMAD\

Of course I watched the video, why would I share my views without hearing him out. And I don't agree with him that conservatives/right wing don't get any space in media. May be his opinion, I see it otherwise. I don't agree that tolerance is lacking towards right wing camp, I see both camps lacking any moderation and space for opposing argument.

agreed on that, but conservative voice is not being heard in pak for long time, when Talat mentioned conservative he also refered to idepology, The PPP of bhutto wasn't conservative in any sense, the nationalization drive almost killed pak economy. If we talking abt conservative voices then Nawaz is best example pro=privitization and right of centre, as talat said the debate should be between right of centre, left of centre, not the extreme fringes.

maverick86 · #10 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 05:19 PM

javed chaudhry....pretty right wing in my opinion...for one...talat sb is an impeccable journalist but i disagree with him here.

Fiza_fairy · #11 (**permalink**) 07-29-2012, 07:01 PM

nyc

kickus · #12 (**permalink**) 07-30-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cyborg909

He said media, which include all media donot take it as only news media and his argument is valid.

i know not complaining on that i'm just saying the word is annoying the way it is used in pakistan!

AHMAD\ · #13 (**permalink**) 07-30-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kickus

i know not complaining on that i'm just saying the word is annoying the way it is used in pakistan!

oh kickus sahab planet cricket se bahar aa gaiy hain....

Lahoriii · #14 (**permalink**) 07-31-2012, 04:44 AM

Haha, Pakistani media dances to the tunes of ratings... if that wasn't the case both Geo and Ary wouldn't lose their virginity to Aamir liaquat, a conservative, right wing fundamentalist, in the most degrading ways.

Subjective argument at best. Tell me when there are people on Pakistani TV advocating secular values, secular state, apostasy rights, legalization of alcohol/marijuana, nude beaches, euthanasia, abortion, etc. etc.

I'm pretty sure express tribune asked the question on social policy, not fiscal policy.

cyborg909 · #15 (**permalink**) 07-31-2012, 05:18 AM

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Haha, Pakistani media dances to the tunes of ratings... if that wasn't the case both Geo and Ary wouldn't lose their virginity to Aamir liaquat, a conservative, right wing fundamentalist, in the most degrading ways.

Subjective argument at best. Tell me when there are people on Pakistani TV advocating secular values, secular state, apostasy rights, legalization of alcohol/marijuana, nude beaches, euthanasia, abortion, etc. etc.

I'm pretty sure express tribune asked the question on social policy, not fiscal policy.

LoL thats exactly why ppl call pakistani liberals fake liberals and other names LOL

I wana know on this forum how many pakisatni subscribe to these views would be fun to know how many on this forum alone thinks these is what liberalism is

Talat has spoken the truth Ahmed/ here is the shinning example LOL