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A rule that should be used more! Blasphemy against minorities Religion
lack"] Karachi :In an extraordinary turn of events, Section 295-A was used to register a blasphemy case against Muslim men for damaging a Hindu temple during riots on Ishq-e-Rasool Day.
Section 295-A is the lesser known, non Islam-specific clause of the country’s notorious blasphemy law.
[/COLOR]The Shri Krishna Bhagwan Mandir, located in the Gulshan-e-Maymar area of Karachi, was vandalised by a mob rallying against the anti-Islam film ‘Innocence of Muslims’. They also ransacked nearby houses where members of the Hindu community reside, and looted jewellery and other valuables.
For its part, the Gulshan-e-Maymar police registered a case using 295-A (‘deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs’) along with other charges of looting, vandalism and theft, against the protesters.
Nine people, including one Maulvi Habibur Rehman and his accomplices, men from nearby residential areas, have been nominated. SHO Jaffar Baloch said, “For me, every believer is the same. The desecration of a temple meant blasphemy to me, and that’s why we inserted that section.”
While no one has been arrested so far because the accused are on the run, security has been beefed up in the Hindu locality.
Scenes of chaos
In the single-room temple, destroyed sculptures of Hindu gods lay scattered. Too devastated to pick up the smashed pieces, its caretaker Maharaj Sunda cried, “I devoted my life to serve the gods, and seeing them like this makes me wish for death.” When the attack took place at 8:30 am, the Maharaj was tending to animals near the temple. Frightened screams from within the temple brought him running back.
When he entered the temple, a scene of chaos greeted him. Six statues of Hindu gods were destroyed. An infuriated mob of 150 people, carrying rocks and sticks, had barged in chanting ‘Allah hu Akbar’, and took away gold adornments from the four-foot statues before smashing them to the ground. Worth more than Rs1 Lakh each, the sculptures were brought from India when the temple was made in 2000.
“It was terrible. Everyone was running to save their lives. Some like me got attacked by stones when we tried to stop them,” said one man named Govinda, pushing his hair back to show a wound on his forehead. The rioters then moved onto their holy books. Showing torn pages of Geeta, the Maharaj’s eyes welled up with tears. “They ripped pages from the old Geeta, and took away the new one.” A broken piece of Radha’s face lay on the floor. A picture of well-known philanthropist Ruth Pfau, who supported an NGO that built the temple, was also torn.
The protesters, who left no stone unturned, then entered nearby houses, snatching gold earrings from newly-married Lakshmi and mangal sutars from others. Another Pathani displayed a scar on her ear where men had ripped out her only gold possession, a single earring. Hurling stones at houses, they also injured a woman who was washing clothes.
The locals had no idea what the protestors were rallying about before they entered the area. All they knew that they were angry with ‘the Americans’. “We are not Americans. We have no link with them. Why were we attacked?” said a resident. This was not the first such incident in the area.
The mob finally ran away when Sikh men in the locality reached the spot with their traditional daggers, kirpans. Since the incident, no prayers have been held at the temple. Men have stopped going to work. Children are afraid to play outside.
“We are Pakistanis. We have never been to India. Let us live here,” said the Maharaj.
Long way to go
Welcoming the move by the local police, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) Chairperson Zohra Yusuf added, however, that she had never heard of a blasphemy case registered against Muslims for damaging a house of worship.“When Ahmadi houses of worship are attacked, blasphemy sections are not inserted. Also, minorities are fearful to lodge complaints.”
Her concern is lent credence by the fact that four churches in the city have been attacked in 2012, but no FIR against their desecration has been registered. HRCP council member Asad Iqbal Butt, who visited the temple, called it the responsibility of the government to rebuild the temple. “We also demand a boundary wall for the Hindus.” Butt said he called up various Hindu panchayats for help, but no one responded. “Had it been a rich Hindu community, the panchayats would have reacted otherwise,” he said. - Tribune
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09-29-2012, 09:01 PM
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There u go. If we muslims dont like our religion being maligned or insulted, why don't we then think twice before discriminating others.
What justifies such an attack? Its clear that these were bloody looters who in the name of religion misused the protesting.
Unfortunately such filthy people exist everywhere! In every religion, nation, culture, etc..
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09-29-2012, 09:18 PM
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Good show. Law should be applied to all
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09-29-2012, 10:04 PM
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There u go. If we muslims dont like our religion being maligned or insulted, why don't we then think twice before discriminating others.
What justifies such an attack? Its clear that these were bloody looters who in the name of religion misused the protesting.
Unfortunately such filthy people exist everywhere! In every religion, nation, culture, etc..
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This is what happens when people think of revoultnist ideas and start thour phour in the name of Prophet.
Thats why I am always against such misguided muslims: becuase whether its in wake of revoultions or Protests the results are only what has been described in the article.
Havbe people missed what the so called holy warriors (rebels) did when they captured libya ?? choping the enthnic black people with machetes ? Is this what Islam teaches ? Now killing children in syria !! and threathning family men that if they don't drive trucks full of explosives into Assad's Army posts then their entire families will be executed the rebel style !! Is that what Islam teaches ?? Yet some people still support these extremists....whther those extremists be in pakistan committing mass crimes against minorities ...or whether those extremists be in middle-east committing mass crimes over there.
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10-01-2012, 10:54 AM
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That's the problem with us. We think to possess the right of imposing our decision, school of thought on others and if u do dare to deny it, then death awaits you!
For God sake leave the judgement to the Almighty and improve first urself!
On a similar note I was discussing with some of my cricket friends from pak & Afghanistan as to what's the punishment of a revert in Islam? Without knowing the actual facts they all claimed to know that such a person is a murtad and must be therefore killed. I kept asking for Quranic and not a hadith reference, which I know does not call out but they insisted: " its written in the Quran....". Now they believe this without having verified it on their own. This is where we just act as retards!
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Good show. Law should be applied to all
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here's an idea, maybe it should be applied to noone?
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10-01-2012, 03:09 PM
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here's an idea, maybe it should be applied to noone? 
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i think burning temples/mosques and promoting violence against any religion should be punished by a hefty sentence and fine
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10-01-2012, 06:16 PM
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here's an idea, maybe it should be applied to noone? 
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Feel free to change it, after all you have the secularist parties ruling the country, an't no mullah anywhere in any form ruling anything.
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10-01-2012, 06:21 PM
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i think burning temples/mosques and promoting violence against any religion should be punished by a hefty sentence and fine
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I don't agree, desecration of any religious place should be punishable by death, be it mandir, church or mosque. Mind you am talking about desecration not e.g removal for civic reasons i.e eg improvng infrastructure. Hence I wana make clear deliberate desecration.
Quran states these temples, synangogues, churches, mosque are all houses of ALLAH any one desecrating them is wilfully disobeying command of ALLAH and sowing the seed of dishormony and persecution of affected group, specially one which is in minority, hence that person or group is intent on zulm and persecution and must be made an example of.
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Feel free to change it, after all you have the secularist parties ruling the country, an't no mullah anywhere in any form ruling anything.
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i'd love to, and if anyone in pak gov't had the testicular fortitude to stand up for what is right then this rule would not exist. alas, let's keep pandering to the jahils....
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i'd love to, and if anyone in pak gov't had the testicular fortitude to stand up for what is right then this rule would not exist. alas, let's keep pandering to the jahils....
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Shukar app jaise parhe likhoon ka bus nahi chalta pakistan main LOL
Yosefi i think quoted Ayub Khan ke zamane ke religious minister who declared beer main sirf 5% alochol hotee hai so az roo-e-shira kullam haram nahi, mausoof ko des badri mili aur yosefi ki narazgee ke hadrath fatwa daina tha to sirf itna keh daite beer 95% halal hai aqalmand ko ishara kafi :P
Hai ayub ke zamane ke log bhi jahil thai LOL
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Feel free to change it, after all you have the secularist parties ruling the country, an't no mullah anywhere in any form ruling anything.
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Sometimes people value their lives.
In a place like Pakistan, where if someone voices their concern about the blasphemy law and attempt to modify it..they get killed.
When the country is filled with maniacs and fanatics willing to go kill each other, blow each other up, or give someone the death sentence cause they said something about the Prophet, it's difficult to change the mindset.
Yaum-e-ishq-e-rasool proved that...
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i think burning temples/mosques and promoting violence against any religion should be punished by a hefty sentence and fine
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Shouldn't matter if its religion or not..
Just burning buildings, and promoting violence alone should be punished by a hefty sentence and fine..
The inclusion of religion or religious group should be irrelevant.
It is just basic common sense to not want vandalism, or the encouragement of violence against ANYTHING, be it religious or non-religious.
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Sometimes people value their lives.
In a place like Pakistan, where if someone voices their concern about the blasphemy law and attempt to modify it..they get killed.
When the country is filled with maniacs and fanatics willing to go kill each other, blow each other up, or give someone the death sentence cause they said something about the Prophet, it's difficult to change the mindset.
Yaum-e-ishq-e-rasool proved that...
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No it didn't prove anything, for the record, the protests still going on without any problem.
Secondly if one doesn't have balls to take a stand then one shouldn't criticize put ur money where your mouth is or shut up. When state wants something they can do that without problem. In same pakistan, under MMA K-P govt passed habba bill SC striked it down, Federal Shariah Court declared Inerest banking haram, Nawaz Govt got a stay order from SC been over 10 yrs and nothing has happened, Under musharraf the changes to hudood law against huge protest were done and its a law now. Regularly minorities become ministers of state, PM of pakistan attend Christmas ceremony in church every year, Under the so called "darkest age of zia" Christmas sermon was live broadcasted on PTV.
These are just few examples, desecration of any holy place is a crime in most countries and falls under hate laws, so its not something new in pak its mostly done all over the world. Now the only thing you can content is what kinda penalty should be given, we can debate that whether or not it merit death penalty, but don't say that it shouldn't be a special crime.
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Shukar app jaise parhe likhoon ka bus nahi chalta pakistan main LOL
Yosefi i think quoted Ayub Khan ke zamane ke religious minister who declared beer main sirf 5% alochol hotee hai so az roo-e-shira kullam haram nahi, mausoof ko des badri mili aur yosefi ki narazgee ke hadrath fatwa daina tha to sirf itna keh daite beer 95% halal hai aqalmand ko ishara kafi :P
Hai ayub ke zamane ke log bhi jahil thai LOL
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