i proudly think this way, and if other pakistanis thought that way as well, then pakistan would be in better shape by 2018. think carefully about the alternatives before questioning my thought process.

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At no point i said alternatives are better and have repeatedly said will vote for IK, just disappointed that dear leader syndrome once again catches up PTI.

Anyway no point arguing. We deserve the leaders we get

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we do deserve the leaders we get, that's why if everyone understood the concept of individual responsibility we can change this. people think of themselves are powerless sheep, and get easily manipulated by the politicians. imran khan is doing the right thing by trying to empower the masses, he's going about things the right way. its our own countrys foolishness if pti does not win the next elections. i shudder to think what the state of pakistan will be by 2018 if ppp/pml win majority

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im really sorry but this is laughable. The whole argument doesn't make sense.

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So which it is? sheer foolishness of masses or a leader's failure to tranform and convince massess to vote for him?

The biggest blunder Maulana Maududi did and that derail the whole JI and also hurt Pakistan as whole was to become involve in electoral politics. That was monumental and course changing mistake, to his credit he admitted it later on but the damage was done and nothing can fix it.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto got it all and he threw it away forever dividing the country in his own words between pro- and anti-bhutto.

these are just two examples of leadership failure, if leadership fails dun blame masses.

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wake me up when pakistan adopts secular democratic views and gets rid of islamic influence in its constitution.

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how did i contradict myself?

goal: elect pti

method: every patriotic pakistani should vote for them no matter what, as the alternatives have failed the country not once, not twice, but mutliple times. to vote for them again is sadistic at best, and idiotic at worst.

no contradiction there. if nawaz sharrif or zardaris parties win the next election, then our people do not deserve the freedom to elect our leaders as it would be clear proof that we do not know what is best for us.

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islam doesn't teach us to keep masses uneducated and pander to them just months before elections to win votes, meanwhile the rest of 4.5 years loot and pollute the nation with the power you've been given. nothing islamic about that. in fact there is little that is islamic about pakistan anymore. no kindness, respect, tolerance, love, quest for knowledge...all fundamental principles of islam. pakistan resembles the age of jahillyah more than anything that has to do with islam.

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i mean seriously, what image of our country are we projecting? one ppp prime minister sacked, then they party can pick anyone they want and they pick someone who is fighting a case of corruption in the supreme court. and then you want people to take you seriously? our country has become a laughing stock.

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if any party other then pti wins the next election then i better not hear the public whine or complain and I won't feel bad for them even if they suffer, because the change is in there hands right now, they can change the future if they want but if they dont even go out and vote then they deserve whatever they get

yup.

i'm not interested in hearing about how ppp goes and bribes people, or how nawaz sharrf is punjab ka sher. if people do not vote for imran khan then no complaints for the next 5 years.

simple. as. that.

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and yes, before anyone asks, my family in islamabad always votes pti whenever they are on the ballot. we are doing our part in bringing change. time for everyone else to get on board. not saying imran khan is going to solve everything in five years, but he certainly deserves a shot much more than the tried and tested fools that we are routinely forced-fed

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Wouldn't this bring us back to my point? This modern day Pakistani nation never deserve to have freedom if they are not ready to decide their own future. It was only for their own good that they would be kept in chains.
You gave them a loaded gun and they shoot themselves multiples times over the past 65 years but they are NOT ready to learn an iota of lesson.

if pti doesn't get majority in the next election, then i will agree with you. however, before this assessment can be made, we need to ensure that everyone that wants to vote is afforded the ability, and that counting votes is done by a neutral party and done fairly and properly. if despite these conditions ppp or pml wins election 2013, then we have shown that we don't know whats best for our future.

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completely agree with you, but now there is some sort of hope in imran khan and if they don't come out and vote, then I will agree with you even more, generally your analysis is spot on

spoken like true elite, when voters lists are bogus, when 18th amend makes party leaders god, u blame the masses. Funny pakistani don't deserve freedom, no one gave us freedom on a plate we have earned it. These same masses stood up to every dictatorship for politcal leaders and democracy, for judicial independence to name few. These same masses doesn't need govt when natural calamity strike they dig in earthquakes with bare hands and help ppl in flood with money and personal help.

All the generals definitly asked masses b4 they took over the power, masses delivered a coalition govt asking them to work together instead they banded together to screw the masses.

Its the leadership failure if they cant inspire the masses, u should thank ur lucky stars the masses still try to vote the day they decide they dun believe in voting and elections the day pak will be gone.

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