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A Very Big Deal - Irfan Hussain

OFTEN, a gambler who is down to his last pile of chips will bet them all on a worthless hand in a bluff to recover his losses.

Pakistan looked a bit like this desperate poker player when the government announced that it would pull its troops out of the tribal area, where they are engaging Taliban insurgents, in case India moved elements of its army close to the border.

Our soldiers are fighting a dangerous enemy because of an existential threat Pakistan faces in this area, and not because we are doing anybody any favours. But by raising the spectre of an open, undefended border, Pakistan is effectively posing an indirect threat to American and Nato forces in Afghanistan. This implied threat, the government hopes, will cause Washington to bring pressure to bear on New Delhi to stop any escalation of the situation. But the United States has little leverage in India, and currently there is a lot of sympathy for the loss of innocent lives India has suffered during the recent terror attacks in Mumbai.

Years ago, a western diplomat wrote that Pakistan was the only country in the world that negotiates with a gun to its own head. Our argument, long familiar to aid donors, goes something like this: If you don’t give us what we need, the government will collapse and this might result in anarchy, and a takeover by Islamic militants. Left unstated here is the global risk these elements would pose as they would have access to Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.

We have been getting away with this argument for a long time, mainly because a failed, fragmented Pakistan is everybody’s worst nightmare. There are still Pakistanis around, in and out of uniform, who seriously believe that India secretly would like to see the break-up of their country. They need to wake up to reality. Many Indians have written to me, saying that they are glad India was partitioned in 1947, so it now has fewer Muslims to deal with. More to the point, the last thing India wants is to share a common border with Afghanistan. The turmoil there is unlikely to end anytime soon, and our army would be of far more use on that border, dealing with the militant threat.

While defending Pakistan recently, our foreign minister was quoted as saying that we were a “responsible state”. And when India presented our government with a list of the names of 20 people accused of terrorism against our neighbour, spokesmen immediately demanded to see the proof against them. This legalistic approach would have carried more weight had the Pakistani state shown this kind of respect for the rule of law in the past. But given the frequency with which ordinary Pakistanis are picked up and ‘disappeared’ by organs of the state without any vestige of due process, the claim to responsibility rings a little hollow.

Indeed, a responsible state would hardly allow the likes of Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-i-Mohammad; Hafiz Saeed of the Lashkar-i-Taiba; and the Indian criminal Dawood Ibrahim to run around loose. Every time the West raises a hue and cry following a particularly vicious terrorist attack, a few militant leaders and their followers are picked up, only to be released once the furore has died down. This sends a clear signal to the security agencies that these terrorists are above the law. So why should they risk their lives arresting them, only to see them being released a few weeks later?

A Google search for terrorist groups in Pakistan reveals an appalling who’s who of killers, together with the incidents they have been involved in. Going over this bloody history made me realise just how deeply rooted this problem is in Pakistan. Ever since Gen Zia encouraged the establishment of sectarian and ethnic terror groups, we have witnessed a mushroom growth of terrorism over the last two decades. And since many of these groups have supported military governments from time to time, they have acquired important links in officialdom, as well as with some politicians.

But above all, these groups have been important pawns in the army’s proxy wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir. Now, having gained prominence as well as financial support, they are not going to disarm and go home just because their existence has become an embarrassment to the Pakistani establishment. It is important to remember that there is now a lot of money flowing into the coffers of these groups. Leaders drive around openly in expensive SUVs, while the rank and file are fairly well paid. These are all people who are not qualified to get the meanest of jobs under normal circumstances.

The existence of these dangerous groups, and the impunity with which they have been operating for two decades, all serve to underline the steady meltdown of the Pakistani state. Instead of treating the cancer of terrorism as a law and order issue, the army has viewed it as a political and military opportunity. Lacking legitimacy and a constituency, both Zia and Musharraf depended on religious groups for support. These parties, in turn, gave militants cover. Thus, the Islamic coalition of the MMA allowed the Taliban to flourish when they governed the Frontier province between 2002 and 2007. We are now struggling with the fallout of their policies.

As we are caught up in this vortex of ideology and violence, we often shoot ourselves in the foot. For instance, when Prime Minister Gilani declared that he would send the head of the ISI to India, this move was widely welcomed. All too soon, however, the reality of the power balance in Pakistan raised its ugly head, and the offer was withdrawn. Clearly, the army did not relish one of its own being placed on the mat in New Delhi. Nevertheless, the instinct was the right one, and had the PM been able to prevail, General Pasha’s mere presence in India could have helped defuse much of the tension.

Many Pakistanis have become so accustomed to terrorist attacks on their soil that they have forgotten that this is not the norm elsewhere. Instead of asking “What’s the big deal?” they should be putting themselves in the place of the victims. If, as seems very likely, the group that attacked Mumbai was trained and armed by the Pakistan-based Lashkar-i-Taiba, it is a very big deal indeed.

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A great find SRK... Thx for this one... it shows the reality of pakistan clearly.... I likd this Irfan hussian and would like to read more of him....

Great Great article....... I liked it very much and have read it 4 times......
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i guess a retrospect is not a bad thing. i do agree that our politicians tend to negotiate with a gun to their own heads. one way of getting out of this spiral is first by recognizing where we have been making mistakes and then correcting them.
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to give a small example, users like python_indian are to reinforce that belief India cannot swallow the idea of Pakistan as not theirs. khair that example is irrelevant. A more appropriate one is that of 7 consulates on our western border along with 10,000 indian troops present in Afghanistan. So in reply to Mr. Irfan Hussein's query, Pakistanis have good reason to back up their beliefs. Das hazaar fauji rotiyan tornay kay liye Afghanistan nahi gaye hain, koi waja obviously hai.

I do agree with his statement about Pakistan always unnecessary holes for itself. I still cannot for the life of me figure out how in 6 months Pakistan's forex reserves are emptied out.
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to give a small example, users like python_indian are to reinforce that belief India cannot swallow the idea of Pakistan as not theirs. khair that example is irrelevant. A more appropriate one is that of 7 consulates on our western border along with 10,000 indian troops present in Afghanistan. So in reply to Mr. Irfan Hussein's query, Pakistanis have good reason to back up their beliefs. Das hazaar fauji rotiyan tornay kay liye Afghanistan nahi gaye hain, koi waja obviously hai.

I do agree with his statement about Pakistan always unnecessary holes for itself. I still cannot for the life of me figure out how in 6 months Pakistan's forex reserves are emptied out.
Actually not, yes, we donot believe in the two-nation theory, however, we have no intention of taking over pakistan any day, if we wanted to, we could have taken over pakistan in 1971 itself, infact its those pakistan based militants (apparatnely kashmir freedom fighters) who want to see the breakup of india and eventually merge with Pakistan, this was even admitted by its own chief in an interview.

But then, pakistan is in its own mess at the moment, the government has no control over ISI/army, infact it doesnt even know what the army/ISI is doing !! zardari on one hand blames ISI for Benazir's death and few months later, claims to work with ISI in their operation... Pak has a good reason to back up with their beliefs no doubt, but dont change beliefs in matter of seconds.. like your very own president..
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ISI and the Army have always acted outside the governments whims, so thats not really a mess but rather deliberate design to safeguard Pakistan's national interests. Zardari and Gillani do not represent the views of the Pakistanis, his approval rating is at 20% and frankly its quite hard to see this government make it all the way till 2012. Ofcourse the Kashmiri freedom fighters want Kashmir to break free from Delhi's grip, yeh aaj ki baath thori hai.
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ISI and the Army have always acted outside the governments whims, so thats not really a mess but rather deliberate design to safeguard Pakistan's national interests. Zardari and Gillani do not represent the views of the Pakistanis, his approval rating is at 20% and frankly its quite hard to see this government make it all the way till 2012. Ofcourse the Kashmiri freedom fighters want Kashmir to break free from Delhi's grip, yeh aaj ki baath thori hai.
nope, this is what he had to say in 1999 just when the peace treaty stated.

"Jehad is not about Kashmir only. About 15 years ago, people might have found it ridiculous if someone told them about the disintegration of the USSR. Today, I announce the break-up of India, Insha-Allah. We will not rest until the whole (of) India is dissolved into Pakistan."
—Prof Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, founder of Lashkar-e-Toiba, on November 3, 1999, in Lahore
Does the entire Pak have this sentiment?? i wont be surprised if they do.. but that aint happening..
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nope, this is what he had to say in 1999 just when the peace treaty stated.

"Jehad is not about Kashmir only. About 15 years ago, people might have found it ridiculous if someone told them about the disintegration of the USSR. Today, I announce the break-up of India, Insha-Allah. We will not rest until the whole (of) India is dissolved into Pakistan."
—Prof Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, founder of Lashkar-e-Toiba, on November 3, 1999, in Lahore


Does the entire Pak have this sentiment?? i wont be surprised if they do.. but that aint happening..
pai hafiz mohammed saeed isnt the founder of lakshar e taiba ..get ur facts right..
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BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Profile: Lashkar-e-Taiba

look under the picture, it says hafiz mohammed saeed founder... but then those are his quotes...
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look under the picture, it says hafiz mohammed saeed founder... but then those are his quotes...
kal ko meri pic laga ke niche likh dege imran ali aka abu imran lol founder of PJT(pakistan jihadi tanzeem) tu maan lega?? loll
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kal ko meri pic laga ke niche likh dege imran ali aka abu imran lol founder of PJT(pakistan jihadi tanzeem) tu maan lega?? loll
its the Beeb beta !!! Geo TV se tau acha hai... lol
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boney ko bhejoonga arrest karne ke liye, agar woh kam nahi aaya, tau bollywood heroine ko bhejoonga giraftaar karne ke liye, woh tau aaram se kar lenge tujhe giraftaar... actually mallika sherawat hi kaafi hai...
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its the Beeb beta !!! Geo TV se tau acha hai... lol
abhe Geo ho ya bbc banda tv pe live baat kar raha ho tu kahe ga wo uska clone hai??..fazool batein mat kiya kar loll
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abhe Geo ho ya bbc banda tv pe live baat kar raha ho tu kahe ga wo uska clone hai??..fazool batein mat kiya kar loll
tau kaun hai bhai laskhar ka founder? saare sources tau hafiz saeed ko hi batati hai, agar TV galat bolta hai tau tereko kisne yeh baat keh di ki woh founder nahi hai...
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tau kaun hai bhai laskhar ka founder? saare sources tau hafiz saeed ko hi batati hai, agar TV galat bolta hai tau tereko kisne yeh baat keh di ki woh founder nahi hai...
jo banda khud kahe founder nahi hei tu nahi hei na
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