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07-20-2012, 12:03 PM
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What y'all think about French Prime Minister's thoughts??
I have to share this with y'all:
French Prime Minister's statement on Muslims
To All who love PEACE.
Prime Minister of FranceFor once, a French politician has the courage to say out loud what the French think and sometimes cry out about.Interesting approach.Learning to live in peace and harmony. Muslims who want to live under the law of the "Islamic Sharia" have recently been told to leave France in order to guard against possible terrorist attacks, the government has targeted radicals.
Apparently, the Prime Minister, Francois Fillon has angered some French Muslims in stating:
THOSE IMMIGRANTS, WHO ARE NOT FRENCH MUST ADAPT.Take it or leave it, I'm tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.Our culture has developed with struggles and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. Our official language is French, not Spanish, or Lebanese, or Arabic, or Chinese, or Japanese, or any other language.
We will accept your beliefs without question. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in peaceful harmony with us.
This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, AND OUR LIFESTYLE.
And we offer you the opportunity to enjoy all this. But if you're tired of our flag, our commitment, our Christian beliefs, or our lifestyle, I strongly encourage you to take advantage of another great French freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE. If you are not happy here then LEAVE. We did not force you to come here. You asked to be here.
So accept the country YOU chose.
what y'all think, especially those who are enjoying religious freedom in foreign west, US, UK, Canada, Europe etc...would any of you be able to live in such a country if the Govt. comes up with similar stance???
Moreover, isnt that the same choice given to minorities in Muslim and Arab countries. So before coming up with a bashing, also consider that how a christian, hindu or jewish person feels about living in Saudia or other countries with strict stance on nationalism, culture and religion.
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07-20-2012, 12:16 PM
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I don't really see anything wrong here, he is by no means offending islam or saying that its wrong. He is just defending his country, his is guarding the citizens form a threat (yes we muslims due to some piece of shit people are now considered a threat unfortunately ).
I support his idea, considering this is what we do to there people in our countries.
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07-20-2012, 02:20 PM
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I guess Muslim people (especially in France for now) will know how it feels when minorities don't get rights. Muslims cant live in in France and can't live in their own country, where are they going to go now?
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07-20-2012, 03:03 PM
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^ why can't they live in France? apart from the burkha issue, i don't think anything as being restrictive.
i can understand the burka being banned in banks, etc for convenience, i did find the public ban a bit hard.
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07-20-2012, 04:11 PM
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^ It is not hard, it is the law. if in saudia arabia everyone needs to cover themselves, like wise in France they changed the rule to what suits them better. they can still wear scarfs so it is not that big of a deal.
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07-20-2012, 05:28 PM
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I see no problems either. It's their country, their culture...and they can run it the way they want. Their constitution unlike US constitution doesn't guarantee the practice of free religion either.
The point I want to make was to all those propaganda against France and Europe that it is very anti-muslim. Well if you see how Saudia or some other middle eastern countries treat non-muslims I think France is still fairly reasonable. I personally wouldn't advocate either, but not my country and not my law. Law of the land should be held supreme and I respect that. Muslims instead of complaining should actually look into contributing to that society and system. May be it'll ease up restrictions for future generations.
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07-20-2012, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sallu
^ It is not hard, it is the law. if in saudia arabia everyone needs to cover themselves, like wise in France they changed the rule to what suits them better. they can still wear scarfs so it is not that big of a deal.
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yea it's their right to put forth laws. i just felt the law conficted with secular principles. that's just my opinion.
what i really hate is ghetto-ization of minorities which is often self inflicted. it's not really multiculturalaism, it's hot spots of certain cultures in certain areas often isolated from one another.
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07-20-2012, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lahoriii
yea it's their right to put forth laws. i just felt the law conficted with secular principles. that's just my opinion.
what i really hate is ghetto-ization of minorities which is often self inflicted. it's not really multiculturalaism, it's hot spots of certain cultures in certain areas often isolated from one another.
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I read in a book where author referred this whole phenomenon as a Salad Bar instead of Melting pot, with everything in their own corner maintaining the own identity and not mixing with each other.
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07-20-2012, 09:44 PM
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i for one think the french PMs comments are nonsensical. two wrongs do not make a right. at the end of the day, everyone should allow everyone else to live in peace, and do what they like. provided it does not affect anyone else. if thats true, people need to be more tolerant of each others views and beliefs. saudi arabia SHOULD allow churches for christians who live there. and france SHOULD NOT be making laws segregating out its muslim population. if a woman is wearing a burka, it is not affecting anyone else. if a group of christians pray on sundays, it is not affecting anyone else. i disagree with this notion "oh if you are not happy then leave". why would i leave? if i am present in someone else's country, that country is also gaining something from me being there (as long as i'm not begging on the streets). i am providing a service to them, and in return i'm being allowed to stay. so why should i not be allowed to live in peace and harmony?
people will say this is a naive and unrealistic view, but i say that it is neither of those. it is the right view, and the view we should all strive for. unless you strive for perfection, you will never come close to it.
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07-20-2012, 11:09 PM
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stupid comments that are in breach of basic secular principles of freedom of speech, belief, sartorial choices and so on.....the french PM is in flagrant violation of his own country's foundation and tenets...
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07-20-2012, 11:28 PM
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very nice sharing .............. keep up the good work ...........
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07-25-2012, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by maverick86
stupid comments that are in breach of basic secular principles of freedom of speech, belief, sartorial choices and so on.....the french PM is in flagrant violation of his own country's foundation and tenets...
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what are those foundation and tenets? I really wanna know. I believe that their constitution doesn't guarantee such freewill as we have here in U.S. (guaranteed by first amendment).
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07-25-2012, 05:55 AM
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why do people cry. When muslim countries implement muslim rules?
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10-02-2012, 09:30 AM
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i think he is 100% right...its their country,they make the rules,they run the show...if muslims are having so many problems with it they should come back...no offence to anyone
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10-02-2012, 10:06 PM
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So would french abide by thier own rule and respect other countries culture and norms? No matter how alien it is to them? If they asking muslims to do something in france surely then france has no right to say anything about other countries and cultures
What is french culture btw? What does it means have to live under french culture?
Before this all WOT, french had ID cards where if a muslim had a beard or wore a hijab their ID cards would have big red lettered stamps saying "feverent muslim", where was french freedom then?
French PM must first define what does he means by French culture and values? So punlishing cartoons is ok, but protesting against is radicalsim and against french values.
What does adoptation means? what would french consider good adoptation? Having wine? Eating pork? Going to nude beaches? What is exactly adoptation?
And wtf is he talking abt fighting, french surrenders they don't fight.
So generations of muslims who have been living in france should leave because they are not son of soil and donot follow "christian Beliefs"? I thought france was secular state not a christian state. So he goes against his own constitution and values and ask others to follow them?
Talk abt non-sense ala french style. WTF then they doing in Afghanistan what the fuck they did in libya and now going after syria?
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