how can I argue with you when you do not believe anything a non muslim says.

Well I do believe what I wrote.

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Why would you believe anything a non muslims says regarding muslim matters?. Would you listen to your cable guy about your tooth? I am sure he can tell you what he knows. But would it be as informative? I think you get what I am saying. I will listen to non muslims if we talk about cricket matter or stuff like that. Regarding Islam no I will not listen to what he has to say.

You are just ignorant thats all you are . A muslim comes up to me and tells me that if he kills a shia he will go to heaven. Do you do that?

A kaafir like u wont understand.

no person attacks please.

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chor day bhai....takfir is their coping mechanism....no nuanced guftugoo is possible

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he is completely correct in what he said. You just took him in the wrong sense. Let me explain : How can we take the knowlegde of Islam from a non-muslim when he himself is not well-versed about that religion (the non-muslim).

It's like saying I want to prepare for my metric exam but I am going to learn it (or get tutored rather than going to school) from a car mechanic. Would he then expect to pass ??

Also are you telling me that you don't indulge in shirk ? You understand about the unity and oneness of Allah ? Do you know what are the attributtes or characteristics of Allah ? And are you supposed to accept them as they are ? OR reject them ? Or add additional explanations to the attributes of Allah from your whims and desires ?

Hey and I have not even yet started to begin on Prophet (PBUH) .

If you don't even understand the basic concepts then why do you feeling like teaching Islam to Muslims ???

So it is arrogance on your part not on muslims part, when that Muslim makes sures that the person he is seeks his knowlegde from ....is the person that does not (at least) indulge in shirk.

That's where you make a massive massive assumption, i.e. if someone is NOT a Muslim, that person does not have a great deal of knowledge in Islam.

Which obviously is not always the case, and that many non-Muslims I know myself, scholars, professors, Arab historians are very well versed in Islam, the Quran, the teachings and the life of the Prophet, more than most Muslims in fact!

If you so conveniently qouted me then you should have atleast bothered to use some brains as well ! And read the whole post including the last sentence !

That's exactly my point, you can't take your knowledge from the people who are invovled in shirk. Becuase that defeats the first and most fundamental principle of Islam !

Its like saying the adulterer enjoying his spree but preaching others the evil of this sin !! Doesn't work !


And by the way the people you mention ... I can easily bet wont even know what's the correct position to take on tne characteristics and attributes of Allah. So how can they teach Muslims the correct knowledge ??? And if they fail on these basic issues of Aqeeda then are only driving people away from the tawheed and oneness of Allah !! There ! go figure now why a Muslim can't take his knowledge from a kafir drowned in shirk !

so you think just because a scholar is not muslim he doesn't have knowledge greater than an illiterate muslim....regarding islam? i am not saying its always one or the other....i am saying both are possible....while you are saying that one situation is completely impossible....

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I may not argue with the knowledge aspect. He/she may have more knowledge than a lot of Muslims we see today. Though, the intent can be questioned. Why would someone preach about Islam when he or she doesn't even have complete believe in it? And then why would a Muslim trust such source? Same way why would a christian believe in the 'concept of trinity' if it is preached by a Muslim?

Now it's a different thing that the so called non-believer tries to point out the good about social teachings of Islam regarding Human rights, Women Rights, and so on. 'Good' can be learned from any corridor, this is what Islam preaches too. I have no objections to that. But I don't see how a person who doesn't believe in Allah, his superior being identity or in his oneness, will reach out and try to preach others about all this.

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how can people say that a non-muslim who has a phd in islamic studies is less credible as a source of knowledge than a "muslim" that just happened to be born into the faith? this is essentially saying that any of us on this forum have more islamic knowledge than people who have studied islam for their entire careers and perhaps even teach it for a living, regardless of their own religion. i'm not saying to go out and get your islamic knowledge from a professor of islamic studies, but i think we should be careful in casually dismissing scholarly achievement conducted through merit and hard work.

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Believe? they won't even LISTEN! We are only the work of the devil right?

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its not a question of the sincerity of preaching...that's a whole different debate...the question is whether they do have greater knowledge of a scholarly kind about a subject. you don't have to subscribe to a concept to be a scholar of it....if that was true you wouldnt have any white historians who specialized in the civil rights movement or African american history.

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