Originally Posted by Malik-10

A kaafir like u wont understand.

Originally Posted by aamer

If you so conveniently qouted me then you should have atleast bothered to use some brains as well ! And read the whole post including the last sentence !

That's exactly my point, you can't take your knowledge from the people who are invovled in shirk. Becuase that defeats the first and most fundamental principle of Islam !

Its like saying the adulterer enjoying his spree but preaching others the evil of this sin !! Doesn't work !


And by the way the people you mention ... I can easily bet wont even know what's the correct position to take on tne characteristics and attributes of Allah. So how can they teach Muslims the correct knowledge ??? And if they fail on these basic issues of Aqeeda then are only driving people away from the tawheed and oneness of Allah !! There ! go figure now why a Muslim can't take his knowledge from a kafir drowned in shirk !

Originally Posted by maverick86

its not a question of the sincerity of preaching...that's a whole different debate...the question is whether they do have greater knowledge of a scholarly kind about a subject. you don't have to subscribe to a concept to be a scholar of it....if that was true you wouldnt have any white historians who specialized in the civil rights movement or African american history.

Originally Posted by sallu

I wonder why prophet (PBUH) didn't teach the muslims how to read, write and other knowledge. Instead he used the prisoners (which included christian, jews and other religion but muslim) who commited shirk and took knowledge from a kaafir. I can only conclude that you are saying prophet (PBUH) did this against the wishes of Allah.

Originally Posted by sallu

Thanks, that was exactly my point coz i'm a muslim.

Originally Posted by aamer

you are speaking from your desires and whims and without any proofs ! and that is one of the ills Prophet PBUH warned people from !

Those prisoners of war were not scholars ! they were not informed about the Islam! and they were ceretainly not preaching Islam !

The Prophet offered them freedom on one conidtion. That they teach the children of the muslims to read and write arabic. There is a big difference in learning a language and learning religion. And then you call us muslims Ignorant ?

Originally Posted by adil_909

what are your thoughts about a non-muslim with a phd in islamic studies?

do you think you or i are more knowledgeable about islam than said person because we were born into islam?

Originally Posted by sallu

I wonder why prophet (PBUH) didn't teach the muslims how to read, write and other knowledge. Instead he used the prisoners (which included christian, jews and other religion but muslim) who commited shirk and took knowledge from a kaafir. I can only conclude that you are saying prophet (PBUH) did this against the wishes of Allah.

Originally Posted by aamer

Doesn't matter how much knowledgeble that non-muslim is. By denying Allah being the only supreme diety worthy of worship he is already committing shirk.

And as a muslim you are not allowed to take any knowledge related to Islam from him.

And these so called non-muslim Islamic "scholars". Where have they taken there knowledge regarding aqeeda about Allah ?

I would easily chanllenge you about the falsifications in their information about the oneness/tauheed of Allah !

Scholars have been from time immorial warning Muslims to be very careful where they are getting their knowledge from.

That doesnt mean that you can't learn languages, sciences, art, medicine and other fields from the kuffar, apart from Islam !

The emphasis is on the religious knowledge ( unfortuanelty some members are twisting the words for their own petty desires)

Originally Posted by halofreak41

I get your point. Having a hard time understanding why the muslims on this forum are.

Originally Posted by aamer

you are speaking from your desires and whims and without any proofs ! and that is one of the ills Prophet PBUH warned people from !

Those prisoners of war were not scholars ! they were not informed about the Islam! and they were ceretainly not preaching Islam !

The Prophet offered them freedom on one conidtion. That they teach the children of the muslims to read and write arabic. There is a big difference in learning a language and learning religion. And then you call us muslims Ignorant ?

Originally Posted by Malik-10

Lol i misunderstood ur post. sorry

Originally Posted by aamer

Doesn't matter how much knowledgeble that non-muslim is. By denying Allah being the only supreme diety worthy of worship he is already committing shirk.

And as a muslim you are not allowed to take any knowledge related to Islam from him.

And these so called non-muslim Islamic "scholars". Where have they taken there knowledge regarding aqeeda about Allah ?

I would easily chanllenge you about the falsifications in their information about the oneness/tauheed of Allah !

Scholars have been from time immorial warning Muslims to be very careful where they are getting their knowledge from.

That doesnt mean that you can't learn languages, sciences, art, medicine and other fields from the kuffar, apart from Islam !

The emphasis is on the religious knowledge ( unfortuanelty some members are twisting the words for their own petty desires)

Originally Posted by halofreak41

What does read and write have to do with religion. Anyone can teach read and writing. The point is you should not take advice on Islamic matters from either a sinner or a kafir or a munafiq. Simple as that. No 2 ways about it. Like it or not I could careless.

Originally Posted by maverick86

why or who?....regardless...who gave you the thaikaydaari rights to decide who is a muslim?.....we all believe in the one god and the prophet that are the central tenets of the faith...everything else is up for debate