As a child growing up in pakistan i was told that the quran is exactly as it was during the life of the prophet pbuh. i was told that not even a single punctuation mark (called diacritic in english) has changed. I was shocked to find out that when the quran was compiled after the death of the prophet that it had no diacritics. These were added many cenuries later to reduce confusion about how to pronounce the arabic. i had no idea about this. do other people here know about this? is this common knowledge or not?
i dont remember the urdu word for diacritics.. but it is those dashes above and below words... i hope you understand what i am referring to.

Pretty soon you will see the atheist of this forum pitch in his two cents. I will leave the rest for you to figure out

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this doesn't have anything to do with atheism...
the marks were added later because initially they were not required as everybody knew how to recite the text properly... only when islam had expanded so far.... is when they needed these so that people with a different dialect of arabic did not have problems in pronouncing...
i just want to know if this is accepted by pakistani muslims.. or known by them?
this isnt some myth... the oldest copies one of which is in the topkapi museum in istanbul doesnt have these marks... so this isnt some conspiracy...

I know someone educated enough (not me) will tell you the right answer to your question. I just want you to be aware of this "atheist" who cashes on people like you trying to make sense about something that hopefully will make your Imaan stronger.

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yes yes, please..be aware of this bogeyman who will come and steal all your iman from you and you wouldn't even know it! Bach kar raho!
He preys on individuals like you who want to know stuff..! Be vary..be very very vary!
He's out to get you!!

Yeah, true...Everyone loves to think they make sense, hence two cents are 'A must'... lol

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Yes so what? This is true. The message is exactly the same. The words and what the Quran say are exactly the same.

Here to drop in my '2 cents' as I have now been obligated to, so course how can I resist.

Good article this in regards to study of the Quran, the uniformity/different versions of it...etc

Muslims and the Koran: In the beginning were the words | The Economist

thanks username...
as a child in pakistan i was under the impression that the prophet himself compiled the quran and that not even a dash was added later. Now I have learnt that the marks were added later.. and that the quran was compiled as it is today after the death of the prophet. I dont know why they never told me about this in islamiyat class...
it is good to know what actually happened....

Yea, who said the written Quranic copy is word of Allah, pages descending from heaven with full arabic alphabet? You seem to be quite an idiot when it comes to linguistics.

Quran is a spoken and heard word. Pronunciation of words does not change, regardless of how you write those words, whatever script you write it in, as long as you have a basic rule showing how to pronounce each word. A hafiz of Quran memorizes the sounds of Quran, not the written words.

Quran is speech of Allah, not writing of Allah. An Arab does not need diacritical marks for reading Arabic. Arabianknight can confirm, in saudi, saudis write Arabic without any diacritical marks, because they know how to speak each word. Diacritical marks were added for idiot non-Arabs like ourselves to make it easier for us to pronounce the speech of Allah correctly.

On the contrary, I was always told in my islamiat classes that Quran was compiled in written form for stupid non-hufaaz ppl like us to read. If you burn all written copies of Quran today, not an iota will change. The spoken words of Allah are safe with millions of hufaaz.

This is why you see arabs putting Quran on the floor as they dont consider the physical copy to be sacred. Rather the sacredness is in the sound, the pronunciation, the lexicon.

I believe that the Quran was first compiled after the Battle of Yamama where a disproportionate number of huffaaz were martyred (i hope i am right here). But yes, the diacritical marks ( i think they are called aeraab in urdu - again would like someone more knowledgeable to comment please) were added so that non-native arabic speakers could read it without making a mistake...they are like training wheels on a bike.

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most sensible explanation. this does not mean that quran has been changed or the meaning has been changed.


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P.S: and if people here want knowledgeble answers then they can post their questions on sites such as Islamqa etc etc sites.

Diacritics did not appear decades after the compilation of the Qur'an, rather they were already known to arabs in the time of 'Umar (RA), as has recent archaeological discoveries showed.

As for the diacritic marks, they were added to the letters later, however no change is made to the pronunciation. There's no shock in this, and only the poor souls (like atheists on this board) would be excited and take this opportunity to insult once again Islam.

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Yeah, because diacritic marks would somehow be an opportunity to insult Islam..how again?