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U r not getting it so will try explaining again, i posed this article in religion section and not in current affairs cuz its for ppl who believe in religion. I gave u an example b4 will reiterate it again so u might get it, one can present all the scientific evidence one wants in my believe the humans are descendednts of Adam and eve and thats the way it is, if one believe then he/she believe if one doesn't he/she doesn't. What scientific logic can explain Prophet Abraham walk in fire and came out unscathed? what Scientific logic can explain Prophet Jesus bringing back dead to life curing blinds or what scientific logic can explain Prophet Mohammad PBUH journey to heavens not to mention the time span it took?
This is religious section either one believe or he/she doesn't.
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yes you are right, religion requires a leap of faith on many issues. i feel the same way that you do, that life was created by God. but "evolution" is undeniable - evolution meaning change over time and survival of those species that have genetic superiority and death of those that don't. there are thousands of examples of this in biological literature.
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yes you are right, religion requires a leap of faith on many issues. i feel the same way that you do, that life was created by God. but "evolution" is undeniable - evolution meaning change over time and survival of those species that have genetic superiority and death of those that don't. there are thousands of examples of this in biological literature.
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Look evolution happens always has always will be, I should have been more clear in my explaining, what I don't believe is evolution of one speciies into other e.g dinosour to bird or humans from ape. I hope this explains my stands. Evolution may be on micro level more like adoptation.
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U r not getting it so will try explaining again, i posed this article in religion section and not in current affairs cuz its for ppl who believe in religion. I gave u an example b4 will reiterate it again so u might get it, one can present all the scientific evidence one wants in my believe the humans are descendednts of Adam and eve and thats the way it is, if one believe then he/she believe if one doesn't he/she doesn't. What scientific logic can explain Prophet Abraham walk in fire and came out unscathed? what Scientific logic can explain Prophet Jesus bringing back dead to life curing blinds or what scientific logic can explain Prophet Mohammad PBUH journey to heavens not to mention the time span it took?
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Don't read about others, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity explained this particular incident.
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Don't read about others, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity explained this particular incident.
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i meant in given time span at certain time period and even if the speed can be explained try explaning the animal burraq with wings 
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theres no maybe about it, microevolution is undeniable.
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that is extraneous stuff, totally extraneous. The main idea was explained very clearly.
Just like Sura-Asr in Quran explains the main idea of concept of Entropy. The 'ifs' and 'buts' are man-made.
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that is extraneous stuff, totally extraneous. The main idea was explained very clearly.
Just like Sura-Asr in Quran explains the main idea of concept of Entropy. The 'ifs' and 'buts' are man-made.
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could u plz explain or give me link I never read abt that would like to know abt it thanks in advance. I meant sura-e-asar one.
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could u plz explain or give me link I never read abt that would like to know abt it thanks in advance. I meant sura-e-asar one.
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yaar, google kar lo...you'll find thousands of links.
But just simply I'll explain you how I looked at it.
From Al- Asr : "...Qasam hai Asr ki Beshak Insan "Khasaray" main hai siwaiy un logoon ke jo Iman laiy aur Haq Baat ki Talqeen aur Sabar ki Taqeed kartay rahay"
Principle of Entropy (2nd law of Thermodynamics): The entropy (disorder) of the system is always increasing. If it decreases it's against the flow of nature.
It's a little clue but Quran always signals us towards Science and Nature, rest is on us to research and discover. Hence I don't believe in notion that Science and Islam are at odds with each other.
Similarly Surah Al-Rehman gave big clues for everyone to research on them. It also tells about Order of system and Gravity. There is no other chapter in Quran as interesting as Surah Al-Rehman. For someone who wants to explore the universe, it gives many directions (Subhan Allah).
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yaar, google kar lo...you'll find thousands of links.
But just simply I'll explain you how I looked at it.
From Al- Asr : "...Qasam hai Asr ki Beshak Insan "Khasaray" main hai siwaiy un logoon ke jo Iman laiy aur Haq Baat ki Talqeen aur Sabar ki Taqeed kartay rahay"
Principle of Entropy (2nd law of Thermodynamics): The entropy (disorder) of the system is always increasing. If it decreases it's against the flow of nature.
It's a little clue but Quran always signals us towards Science and Nature, rest is on us to research and discover. Hence I don't believe in notion that Science and Islam are at odds with each other.
Similarly Surah Al-Rehman gave big clues for everyone to research on them. It also tells about Order of system and Gravity. There is no other chapter in Quran as interesting as Surah Al-Rehman. For someone who wants to explore the universe, it gives many directions (Subhan Allah).
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thank u, i was trying to understand the relation u mentioned Surah-e-asar and entropy. will look up more.
And ur right science and islam are not incompatible we must strive for knowledge and ponder on nature as ordered by Quran and sunnah.
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U r not getting it so will try explaining again, i posed this article in religion section and not in current affairs cuz its for ppl who believe in religion. I gave u an example b4 will reiterate it again so u might get it, one can present all the scientific evidence one wants in my believe the humans are descendednts of Adam and eve and thats the way it is, if one believe then he/she believe if one doesn't he/she doesn't. What scientific logic can explain Prophet Abraham walk in fire and came out unscathed? what Scientific logic can explain Prophet Jesus bringing back dead to life curing blinds or what scientific logic can explain Prophet Mohammad PBUH journey to heavens not to mention the time span it took?
This is religious section either one believe or he/she doesn't.
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thank u, i was trying to understand the relation u mentioned Surah-e-asar and entropy. will look up more.
And ur right science and islam are not incompatible we must strive for knowledge and ponder on nature as ordered by Quran and sunnah.
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